New Zindra Blog Post

I have been in sl a long time to know who to ask and how to look what groups own what land and she only owns the sim based off all the groups she was in and she only had one sim deeded in groups thats was in the new islands.

Well Jenn, I hate to rain on your parade but I guarantee you that I have no linden friends. In fact, it's well into double figures the number of Lindens that would probably like to put poison in my coffee.

One of my plots is marked as a sculpture garden and the other as a garden. Do you have a problem with that? If so feel free to tell me exactly why.

So, much as I'd like to indulge your sweeping generalisation, I can't. If you want to make allegations of corruption by LL feel free to go get the evidence and come back to us then.

either that or go over to Jacks zindra blog thread and post it there and see how far you get.

*note to self.. must go and check out that blog thread sometime...

As I understand it, everything around "adult" content is what they call an "edge case". Which is not surprising since they don't actually have any consistent, well defined policy for any of this.

There's a surprise

Since one of my few choices is blocked useless by 1/4 sim parcel taken already, I got curious and found that apparently the club being moved there comes from a private island. The same person owns the island as the club.

So I ask this. Why would this person need a swap at all?

And are people moving from private islands even eligible at all?



Oh, well I'll be damned, Blue closed the other thread right after I asked this there. I suppose it could be coincidence

i don't know ..i mean for the most part it's pretty clear to me what cannot stay in mature and what you have to do to keep things staying mature and not adult..

really the thing i think they should have done was..they should have added a section all by itself in the maturity ratings page for educational and historical..

Well, I have to agree with CB here. While i know a lot of Lindens, i also have been in SL for quite a long time...4+ years. But, I got my land because i filed my ticket at 10:03 am. If YOU underestimated how big a response it was going to be, and for whatever reason got your ticket in late, that's no one's fault but your own. I know the agony i went thru waiting, and i know the agony that my friends that are still waiting. Granted we have proof that it wasn't exactly first come/first served, but don't go lumping us all in together cause you got sour grapes and a bad attitude.
I got my land, and just like my previous setup, we have the club on the main portion of the land, a small section of shops.. and rental homes. Even us smut peddlers have to have a place to live, and play, and work as well. So if we make the most use of our sim by having some of all... *shrugs* i guess that makes us evil. *smiles* I guess it could be worse.

Doesn't Playboy Magazine have cultural value?

I'm jus' saying!

Well *I* read it for the articles!

If it does, then my brother's sock drawer was a branch of the New York Public Library when I was a kid.

Hey in College we had years worth of the issues (sans pictures) in those big periodical volumes.

Just like Life or Time magazine (course those had the pictures). I always loved reading through the ads from the 1930's (in Life not Playboy ofc)

Hm. I see it more as a high-tech catalog. One can explore there the status quo in plastic industries and also studying the results of the newest Photoshop CS4 tricks. Kind of last step of a tutorial. Additional is there to see, what all is possible to create with a ton of cosmetic products - so it is even an expo of the chemical laboratories of the world.

Basicly one can expect all possible social and politics themes in these Magazine's.

But there is literally *no* skin to see! If there is skin involved, then it is hidden under 4cm gel-structures and coating powder

And if one thinks to have discovered a smile, then is this also a hallucination, because a smile is there made by chinese or taiwanese ceramic manufactories, polished by a sandblast machine.

Photographed is there often a botox and silicon container from different angles.

Hair is made of polyethylen and polypropylen.

This is why these magazine's are sorted here in Austria between architecture magazines and agrar technology magazines and available for customers of all ages from 0 to 99+ years of age.

and the pictures are artistic imo

Does anyone know where a place called Club Leo was located prior to a week or so ago? The claim is that it only moved to his private island temporarily before moving to Zindra. Which doesn't make sense, why move twice, why not move directly to Zindra?

His answers were very sketchy and hesitant at best, and when I showed up trying to do some detail checking, I was ejected and banned

I have to agree with Brie and CB here, yes we know things are not being handled properly in many cases as is reported on our http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions page and yes I no doubt some favors have been handed out, but as Brie and CB says us sim owners have to pay the tiers and shops etc. do help towards those costs. We have given people with the slapt.me wiki a place to report the facts and so far the facts are showing an incompetence towards the execution of this plan rather than favors being dolled out.

Of course if you have any proof that favors are being done then document it on the slapt.me forums or wiki but be prepared to stand by what you report on the slapt.me forum and wiki, that's all we ask We are all tired of this fighting with LL over the last few months and I have read every post in every thread/blog on this subject and attended a couple of BB meetings and personally I hate to see the bickering between some of the land owners myself, we all should be working together rather than against each other.

Yes we had the case of the land for sale, but I think that was just trying to game the system as LL haven't laid down the ground rules and it was imho more greed and/or a silly move than anything else. I feel that no one given land on Zindra should be able to sell it until at least after the 2 week period or until the auctions open for the general public so to speak.

We are all affected by this in one way or another and I am not a great LL (The company) fan, but I am a big SL (The game) fan as many that know me will attest. However the Lindens I have spoken to regarding these changes have always been professional in their approach towards me, even if I disagreed with them the front line Lindens are imo doing a good job overall within the constraints that they have to work in as it's their bosses that are dictating how they have to work not them.

My ticket went in at 10.16 and I doubt I will get my full sim swap for quite a few days yet, its a pain as it is costing me money each day it is delayed but I have a choice, I sit it out and continue to document with others, the facts surrounding all of this for the historical archive we have created in the hope at a later day people will read it and not make the same mistakes again or I can leave SL it is to me, as simple as this.

All we can do now is sit and wait and help the lindens and ourselves to make this all as painless as possible and keep documenting all the flaws in this very flawed plan. The plan is in place and we have to play by LL rules as it is their platform/game/whatever and we should continue to make our voices heard in a professional manner as we do. People affected by the move should imo, join the Zindra alliance group and start working together to make the new lands a great place to be. More info on the group can be found here: http://www.slapt.me/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=133

Just my thoughts though

All wise words - well worth everyone heeding - Thx LS

^L^

Wise and logical as often along the sentences of LS in these 4 months. And easy. LL is the company, acts as government and is the only target for offering our help and/or critic to the Teflon Wall.

Cheaters are ever then a problem, if LL has no ideas or no tools or no ambitions to make cheating not necessary or not possible.

Factfinding is very difficult. Not all what looks like cheating is cheating. I think only one or 2 persons/groups tried something so far, but we have no waterproofed evidences.

I found none...

Since LL likes to put its nose into everything we do, it has the whole responsibility for this all and the obligation to prevent cheating.

As ever is the Lab the adress to talk to. They are full responsible for all good and bad things in background and for that we pay them.

It cannot be our job, to play governance team.

We are here for fun and being creative and since 4 months now we had nothing than trouble and no fun, because we had to defend our legitimate interests as customers.

I like the idea that there is growing a Zindra group. Make a cool Zindra there, people

I cannot swap now, but I will do something to have my freedom back. So, sooner or later - in this or that way, I join the continent - incl. my friends too, I think. Latest when landprices after the auction phase will be halfway reasonable ahm...lol...hehehe, I know...prices...

But we will see.

I still hope LL will check somehow, that all who bought mature land for reasons can swap - maybe in a second wave or so.

They had now 5 days time to think about something. We too.

It would be just normal and fair, if LL makes now some clear, straight and fair moves to get some reputation back. First thing has to be a professional ticket management for all who asked to swap now - the commercial scene.

As more clever developed and interesting the scenery will be then made by the "first wave", as more comfy I will feel and much others too.

How about an island that has rental accomodation and an adult oriented club on it? If the club stays where it is, the island will have to be set as "adult" and some of the accomodation renters will have to move out.

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As long as he owned mainland which had the sex club on it then he is entitled to the move.

However if all he owned was an island then he would not fall under the move as only mainland adult holdings can move to Zindra under the free swap. So I would assume he owned mainland holdings as well as the island estate which enabled him to move the club as he would have had to make the choice of flipping the switch for the whole island to adult or move the club to the mainland and then to zindra.

Three RL companies pulled the plug yesterday on the 2 year study of using SL "TM" as any kind of reliable business format due to the time this is taking to process (costing RL $), the lack of complete response from LL on it, LL not being prepared for what they were told in the numbers that would need to make this move due to their "new" rules or the amounts &or types of land which would be needed in the move & them not being prepared for such a move in a timely business fashion.
TYSM LL

Citation, please.

But it's just what I've been telling LL all along. It's not a business platform, it's an entertainment platform.

There's RL companies that were depending on buying land in Zindra, that don't have their own estates? What companies?

Details Please ? There is a special section of the slapt.me wiki just for these kind of case histories, if you feel you can't name names here I'm sure it's fine there so long as you can back it up with some facts and references

http://slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Impact_on_SL_Residents_%26_Businesses

^L^

I am looking through the forums wondering why nobody is writing about the latest Zindra status. Today is Wednesday ! Could anyone write an update please ?

I took it as meaning that LL's creation of an unnecessary problem, followed by their shambolic handling of the easily-foreseeable consequences of their actions, gave the RL companies justifiable cause for concern about the competence and reliability of the current management team at LL and about whether they were the sort of people with whom they wanted to do business.