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Treasure Ballinger
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07-01-2009 12:02
From: Meade Paravane
Silly Lindens.

This was beaten nearly to death here in the forums. 'Commercialized' means that it's in search.

I think the people who are being rejected are probably being rejected more because their content isn't naughty enough.


/me waves; just following this and asking silly questions; if that were true that the denied folks didn't have naughty enough content, why would a land baron with 'no' adult content be approved?
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07-01-2009 12:03
From: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6345


How can I get land on Zindra?
Do you have adult content on your parcel? (for definitions of what constitutes adult content, see the following Knowledge Base article: Maturity ratings: an overview) If you have commercialized adult content or services on your parcel, and are therefore significantly impacted by the introduction of Adult Oriented content controls to Second Life, we'll provide you with land equivalent to your existing parcel(s) on Zindra, free of charge.


"If you have commercialized adult content or services on your parcel, and are therefore significantly impacted by the introduction of Adult Oriented content controls to Second Life"
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07-01-2009 12:04
From: Treasure Ballinger
/me waves; just following this and asking silly questions; if that were true that the denied folks didn't have naughty enough content, why would a land baron with 'no' adult content be approved?

Beause LL thought he did have adult content?
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Krazzora Zaftig
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07-01-2009 12:11
From: Meade Paravane
Silly Lindens.

This was beaten nearly to death here in the forums. 'Commercialized' means that it's in search.

I think the people who are being rejected are probably being rejected more because their content isn't naughty enough.



See I might fall into this grey zone and that worries me. I'm definatly adult in content on my land but stopped building long ago waiting for all this. I don't sell adult things, I facilitate adult things on my land and encourage it.
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07-01-2009 12:12
From: Krazzora Zaftig
See I might fall into this grey zone and that worries me. I'm definatly adult in content on my land but stopped building long ago waiting for all this.

Does your land show up in search? If not, I'd get it in there NOW...
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07-01-2009 12:15
From: Meade Paravane
Does your land show up in search? If not, I'd get it in there NOW...



Yes it's been search for a bit. Sounds like that isn't the qualifier now though.
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07-01-2009 12:16
From: Meade Paravane
Silly Lindens.

This was beaten nearly to death here in the forums. 'Commercialized' means that it's in search.

I think the people who are being rejected are probably being rejected more because their content isn't naughty enough.



I think that anyone who gets the boilerplate "It appears that your parcel does not contain commercialized adult content or services. Therefore, your content does not qualify for the first wave of migration to our new Adult-Only continent."
1) should challenge it
2) get written confirmation that their parcel and products flagged in Search are specifically *not* subject to the restrictions that will be imposed on Search and publicly available content in Mainland. They'll need that if/when the ARs start.

Some might be told that the offending words in Search do not describe the content of the parcel.
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07-01-2009 12:21
From: Sling Trebuchet
I think that anyone who gets the boilerplate "It appears that your parcel does not contain commercialized adult content or services. Therefore, your content does not qualify for the first wave of migration to our new Adult-Only continent."
1) should challenge it
2) get written confirmation that their parcel and products flagged in Search are specifically *not* subject to the restrictions that will be imposed on Search and publicly available content in Mainland. They'll need that if/when the ARs start.

Some might be told that the offending words in Search do not describe the content of the parcel.



They will also likly counter with you altered the look of your place which now makes it qualify.
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07-01-2009 12:24
From: Krazzora Zaftig
They will also likly counter with you altered the look of your place which now makes it qualify.


Maybe the landbaron put a giant penis in his office.

--- but long, long ago
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07-01-2009 12:24
From: Sling Trebuchet
I think that anyone who gets the boilerplate "It appears that your parcel does not contain commercialized adult content or services. Therefore, your content does not qualify for the first wave of migration to our new Adult-Only continent."
1) should challenge it
2) get written confirmation that their parcel and products flagged in Search are specifically *not* subject to the restrictions that will be imposed on Search and publicly available content in Mainland. They'll need that if/when the ARs start.

Some might be told that the offending words in Search do not describe the content of the parcel.

Yes. It would be good if they provided more details on why a swap was denied.

I think that first one that was talked about on slex (/me lost the link and is lazy) was a Gor store. Though I'm pretty sure she ended up getting a swap, I can see how a Linden would show up, say "all Gor - not defined as 'adult' this week" and deny the move. If it's just generic Gor stuff, rather than some of the more naughty accessories, that's probably the right thing to do. Er.. Gor's not 'adult', right? Or did it go back to being adult?

edit: tho, you know, every challange to something LL does slows down the process for everybody still in line.....
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07-01-2009 12:27
From: Meade Paravane
Yes. It would be good if they provided more details on why a swap was denied.

I think that first one that was talked about on slex (/me lost the link and is lazy) was a Gor store. Though I'm pretty sure she ended up getting a swap, I can see how a Linden would show up, say "all Gor - not defined as 'adult' this week" and deny the move. If it's just generic Gor stuff, rather than some of the more naughty accessories, that's probably the right thing to do. Er.. Gor's not 'adult', right? Or did it go back to being adult?

edit: tho, you know, every challange to something LL does slows down the process for everybody still in line.....


I put Kittyn's details here and a link to the thread on slx

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions#Zindra_Move_Ticket_Declined
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Krazzora Zaftig
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07-01-2009 12:31
From: Meade Paravane
Yes. It would be good if they provided more details on why a swap was denied.

I think that first one that was talked about on slex (/me lost the link and is lazy) was a Gor store. Though I'm pretty sure she ended up getting a swap, I can see how a Linden would show up, say "all Gor - not defined as 'adult' this week" and deny the move. If it's just generic Gor stuff, rather than some of the more naughty accessories, that's probably the right thing to do. Er.. Gor's not 'adult', right? Or did it go back to being adult?

edit: tho, you know, every challange to something LL does slows down the process for everybody still in line.....



Gor = fantasy = stores not always adult (stores might need to stop showing nudity maybe?)
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07-01-2009 12:40
From: Lord Sullivan
I put Kittyn's details here and a link to the thread on slx

I thought the name sounded familiar. She ended up in the middle (bordered on 2 sides anyway) of Sindy's land. Interesting mix on that region...
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07-01-2009 12:43
From: Meade Paravane
I thought the name sounded familiar. She ended up in the middle (bordered on 2 sides anyway) of Sindy's land. Interesting mix on that region...


I must admit I havent logged in for long just to check the normal stuff so haven't been to Zindra as my ticket is at 10.16 and after my picks I gave the next 3 and then the caveat that any full flat sim would do as we need a full sim so I will just wait it out, though I must go have a look to see how it is starting to develop tomorrow :)
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07-01-2009 12:49
From: Meade Paravane
....

edit: tho, you know, every challange to something LL does slows down the process for everybody still in line.....


If LL defined things clearly, there would be less possibility of challenges.
As it turns out, LL seems to have gone out of its way to infuriate and frustrate everyone.
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07-01-2009 13:00
From: Sling Trebuchet
If LL defined things clearly, there would be less possibility of challenges.
As it turns out, LL seems to have gone out of its way to infuriate and frustrate everyone.

/me does not disagree.
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07-01-2009 13:11
From: Meade Paravane
/me does not disagree.


This is normal practice though for them. I've had plenty of issues that just common sense and a two second talk with actual people might resolve. Instead it took pulling teeth, a prayer, a satanic ritual, and a contract with Hitler to resolve.
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07-01-2009 13:12
/me looks around with glaring eyes and flaring nostrils...

I've just checked the names on the jira and see very few of the usual suspects from here..

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-56

vote please.

Think of it as your good deed for the week and it means if you killed in an alien attack while waiting for your ticket to come up you'll go straight to avatar heaven for your selfless deed.

or maybe not

that's the complex thought over.

here's the background
From: someone
Enclosing content of a notecard that explains the value of adding this feature to the disabled community in Second Life:

Several individuals and groups in Second Life are working on scripts that make it easier for people with disabilities to use this immersive environment. However, Linden Scripting Language has some inherent limitations that the scripters, and those who use the scripts, must somehow overcome.

One of these is that LSL cannot easily change the direction that your avatar is facing--your "rotation". This was possible at one time, but it is no longer available.

Why is this important?

Someone who is Blind or Visually Impaired can check to see which way they are facing, but if they wish to face a particular direction, they must guess at how long to hold down the arrow keys. It is possible to set a "target" rotation that will notify you when you reach a particular facing, but it is still very easy to overshoot. So, the "simple" act of turning to face a doorway or to face someone with whom you are speaking may not be so simple for them.

Someone with motor impairment that affects fine motor control may likewise have difficulty turning. Imagine directing your avatar's facing by saying "Turn left" or "Turn right" instead of using your keyboard. This is just one example of how someone with motor impairment might use Second Life, of course.

Facing a specific direction in a smooth and realistic manner could be difficult in either case. If you know that Joe Avatar is at 47 degrees from your position, you could issue a command to "face 47 degrees", and your avatar would be "looking" at him. This makes social interaction smoother and more realistic, as well as making travel and interaction with objects in-world easier.

The desire to have Avatar Rotation returned to LSL is not limited to the Disability Community. Others have already begun this effort.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-56

If you log in to this site with your SL Username and Password, you can vote for this issue. Voting does not compel Linden Lab to address our concerns in the way that we desire! However, they did create this site because they want user input. They do pay attention to these votes, and they tend to focus on those issues that receive the highest number of votes.

Please, consider adding your vote.

Thank you,
Talvin Muircastle
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07-01-2009 13:12
From: samatha Congrejo
..If the lindens working on it each pulled a ticket in order, marked it as in progress and then completed it and then moved on to the next one it woudl have worked fine.

Where more info was request....that ticket should ahve stay in the que until the info was provided and then handled next.



As far as I can tell, that is exactly what they are doing. Of course they are not going to sit around waiting for more info, so the next tickets will be processed until they get the info they need.
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07-01-2009 13:17
From: Couldbe Yue
depending on the technology for the ticket system and whatever needs to be done to the backend systems ...


I'm pretty sure that would have been cost-prohibitive for a one-off project like this.
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07-01-2009 13:24
blondin office hour today yeah?

Edit: I mean I know it will be useless and pointless but still!!
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07-01-2009 13:24
From: Smith Peel
I'm pretty sure that would have been cost-prohibitive for a one-off project like this.



no. I'm thinking about things like spreadsheets or access databases for things like when land should flip to being reclaimed etc. This didn't actually need a full on technical solution.
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07-01-2009 13:34
Couldbe, sorry it took me a while to vote on that jira. I've been completely out of the SL loop today.

In fact, I sorta expected that my 10:05 ticket would be settled (one way or another) when I got back. Well, I'm back, and looking at the ticket list on slapt.me I have a question:

Do we have reason to believe anything was done today with actual filed tickets?

I suspect that the LL Zindra team is currently completely given over to processing "non-ticket requests." That is, while they may process the *tickets* in more or less the order they were submitted, I'm beginning to think that a significant (and growing) percentage of the land being distributed in Zindra is in response to requests that never entered the ticketing system at all.

That may be the meaning of "the innerwork flow process is at Linden Lab's sole discretion."
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07-01-2009 13:36
Has anyone heard of anything getting processed today? So far I haven't seen any. Did they decide to take the rest of the week off?
Meade Paravane
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07-01-2009 13:47
Could be that they've realized that there are issues with their plan and have taken a step back to reconsider how things are being done. Or maybe they've paused to decide if they need to open up more land..
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