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I would like to know more about this agenda business, assuming the idea is that there is to be an agenda for the meetings with Blondin on Mondays.

Specifically, I would to know who is to chair the meetings. Part of the role of the chair is, of course, to ensure that the discussion stays on topic, that different views get an adequate airing, and that the meeting manages to get through the agenda in the allotted time, while still leaving time for Any Other Business.

Who is going to perform this important role?

And what is she or he going to say when some non-member of the Zindra Alliance turns up on a Monday meeting and says, "this agenda is all very well, but it's nothing to do with me and there's a matter of pressing concern -- at least to me -- I want to raise". Are they to be told their comments are out of order and the point must wait until Any Other Business, assuming there's time in Blondin's busy schedule. What happens if some members of Gomez' newly-formed Zindra Landowners Alliance turn up with an agenda they've prepared? Whose do we follow?

Or is the idea that this agenda is, effectively, an hymn sheet to which members of the Zindra Alliance are expected to sing at Blondin's meetings? If a meeting of the Zindra Alliance reaches some conclusion with which individual members do not agree -- which will doubtless happen sooner or later -- are the dissidents supposed to keep quiet or resign their membership if they wish at a meeting with Blondin to express their disagreement, or what?

What, you mean by saying repeatedly "we don't represent Zindra"? Bloody amazing.

I believe these groups should share agendas prior to the Blondin meeting and merge their concerns as best they can. The two groups differ only in the way they function internally.

Sorry, but this isn't the case. If there is a *representative group*, whether it is the ZA or Gomez's group, then Blondin should be told to take his *zindra-wide* message from *that* group, and no other. If he chooses to keep meeting with *non* representative groups, well and good. he can take their interests to LL if he chooses to do so. but if he's only coming to one meeting, it should be that of the group that represents *all* of zindra, and not just a segment of it.

[11:07] Blondin Linden: I'd like to apologize if anyone thought that this time or space was simply for the benefit of the ZIndra Alliance and it's group memebers. I'm here to help and to talk with everyone.
[11:07] Blondin Linden: Its important that everyone has a voice
[11:08] Blondin Linden: and we all need to work together to try and make Zindra the best place it can be. So in order to help clear things up, Lets keep this time and date as a weekly meeting tme but lets simply think of it as another Office Hour where we focus simply on ZIndra and ZIndra related issues
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Everyone is welcome to attend. I'll take notes back to other Lindens as always do and we can go from there.

I believe LL counts on all the confrontation between residents, kind of like eating our young. It limits the number of answers they have to give us.

Was doing some SL mapping and took special notice of
how far out Zindra is from the main cluster of sims:



-i

Blondin has clarified this point for us; on the 17th, he told us (other people's approving comments removed for concision) http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_17-08-2009

Well...they need space to expand, don't they? Apparently, SL is so full of sex fiends that the adult continent may expand to be larger than the rest of SL combined.

Out of curiosity, how did the BCA deal with the problem of having LInden "attention" and the responsibility that entailed for representation of Bay City as a whole?

Is it just me, or is traffic zeroed for every Zindra parcel? *facepalms*

Is it just me, or is traffic zeroed for every Zindra parcel? *facepalms*

So it seems... Did you contact support?

29 August 09 10:15pm [UPDATE] Some regions are still experiencing issues with traffic updating, this problem should be fixed with the next traffic update.

We are aware that some regions are showing 0 for traffic in Search > Places while not showing as 0 in About Land. This should be resolved as soon as traffic calculations for the day have been completed.

The Bay City Alliance never has had to deal with the contention and policy issues that have been caused by the move to Zindra and adult regions.

The issues discussed with Linden Lab in Bay City has more been of the nature of how can residents use municipal land (all sims in Bay City are double primmed, so half of the land is municipal), changes to LDPW structures in the city, placement of the Infohubs, and how we can get LL support in connection with events like the Flea market and 1 year anniversary (where we were linked on the login page.)

All these issues are primarily handled by consensus in the bi-weekly Bay City Alliance meetings, and have been relayed to Blondin there and then. BlueGin has in a couple of cases used surveys in addition to gauge where the consensus lies. There is no formal vote and no formal representation.

I was actually more interested in the ways that a group that attracts LInden attention is essentially *made* a rep0resentative body by fiat (of the linden in question). It seems that by their choice of what residents to listen to, the various lindens are *choosing* the resident representatives, simply by virtue of setting them up as the conduits for information.

I was curious as to how the BCA dealt with the responsibilities that entailed- Did they simply say "we're not representative- if you want that you need to use some other group" or did they attempt to actually represent the community in good faith out of a sense of responsibility? If so, what sort of structure did they use to ensure that their representation was as fair and accurate as possible?

I was simply trying to put together some logical underpinnings for the Zindra situation, to see if there were ideas out there that had worked before-

No sense re-inventing the wheel after all

in any case, the question seems moot, at least for now.

^V^

Hi Valerius,

Just to keep you updated, Blondin Linden is also a member of the Zindra Landowners Alliance (ZLA), which is the alternate group I created, so it seems to show that there is no Linden preference to a particular group. in fact, we welcome all ZA member to also join us. In fact anyone with an interest in Zindra is welcome.

Like the ZA, we are also a non official group for the purpose of promotion of Zindra and it's businesses. I'm sure working together we can all achieve a lot

Gomez

Once again some features of search have changed, this time with the updated website.

Main changes:

* Any uppercase letter anywhere in a word causes search.secondlife.com to let a word through. This has the side effect of letting BDSM and XXX get searched where they did not before.

* Dungeon is no longer filtered either in Viewer search, or website search.

Please check out the independant wiki page for the latest info:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/...ntent_Keywords?
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

If you note something that's different than what is written there, please edit or put a note in the talk page

I have gotten partway through checking the hundreds of words NOT filtered in the past. We keep a list of words we have checked to save other people from wondering what works and what does not work.

Can anyone explain to me why -- as of, I think yesterday, when I last looked on Slapt.me -- "BDSM" is restricted, but "Gor" and "Gorean" aren't?

Does this make any sense?

The Goreans have better FIC connections?

Gor was on the original list.

One of the arguments frequently raised -- not without merit, to my mind -- at Blondin's office hours against making "Gor" and "Gorean" adult-flagged words was that so many items are sold using these terms in their advertising that can't be considered adult content -- clothing, weapons, houses and so forth -- that it would be absurd.

In practice, or so I am told by my friends in Gor, most -- if not all -- Gor sims are flagging as adult, because otherwise it would hamper their RP rather, but Linden Labs seem to have accepted the argument it would be silly to make all the makers of silks and cod-medieval buildings remove to Zindra.

Besides, I rather like being able to tease my Gorean friends about how they are officially vanilla, at least according to Linden Labs.

Yes, I guess that makes some sense. Although, were I a BDSM content provider, I might be mildly annoyed at what COULD be seen as a discriminatory policy. Maybe someone needs to start making BDSM toasters, bookshelves, and light fixtures?

The rumoured deal of which I spoke did indeed include provisions that would have certainly hampered the RP: as I recall, the sex toys were to be kept out of sight, for one thing. And where's the fun in THAT?

Speaking as a BDSM content provider, I am not best pleased that my business partner and I can't properly advertise -- for example -- an animation overrider that we consider of particular interest to submissives and slaves other than from Adult sims. On the other hand, I guess that -- once the definitions are actually enforced -- most, if not all, our target market will Adult verify anyway.

Certainly, at least from what I hear from Gor, many of their private sims are at this moment in the process of flagging as Adult as a result of the emails Linden Labs have been sending out recently.