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What I do is login with 1.23 viewer, tick the adult checkbox only, type in the group name of my land group in search and see what appears. The word "Slave" seems to be the culprit for me this time.

This has gone to estate owners too this time.

Oh, thanks. I am always on the greenlife viewer so I had not noticed. How can they see that I have a plot with a bad word but not identify it in the e-mail? Quite odd. Never a simple solution with Linden Lab.

Well I assume they just run a query and it flags landowners but doesn't bother to take any note of particular parcels.

No it's not a simple solution, many people will be wondering why they've received the email, especially as LL won't publish the word list.

I just got 5 of them in a row and their systems are messed up as usual, unable to identify that I have already made the move and leaving the old land behind - I didn't quite understand what they were trying to say but then Linden Labs always have difficulty in saying and phrasing anything clearly.

What it did succeed in doing was raise my blood pressure again and remind me of why I was furious with their stupid action in the first place

^L^

I got 6 of them, contacted live help and was told the system made several broad sweeps to insure that everyone that was supposed to get them, did. I'd rather get it 8 times and KNOW they FINALLY sent them out then have people say they still do NOT know. There are still places running want ads for Escorts etc listed as mature...
Its time to get the rest of the grid up to date with what the ones of us that moved had to deal with.

~Brie

I just don't know what sim or parcel this is in. I guess I have to wait until I am suspended for it to find it and fix it.

From what I am getting from it it is based on classifieds.. (I got one and that's all I have the land is group owned and all on Zindra) kind of glad too! because I hadn't canceled 2 of them I could have saved 100L for the past few weeks!

Good job, Lindens! Flood everyone's e-mail a month after the land swaps are over.

Is this some kind of joke? Seriously. Yossarian Linden, is that you?

I'm getting these emails too and don't quite understand what to make of them since there is no reference to parcel or offending words.

It might be that other people's past profile picks containing filtered words comes into play, but this is something I have no control over.

I figured that it is either from their classified list or their 'show parcel in search' list. It was obviously too much trouble for them to drill into the database and identify who had already made the required transitions. What seems to missing from their mail is a sentence that says something like " If you have already made the required changes please ignore this letter"

I guess there will be a whole bunch of folk who are squeaky clean, but now confused, thinking they have screwed up their migration.

^L^

I have yet to receive ANY email, and our adult locations are running merrily along. (And I think there is nary a word on all my parcels that ISN'T in the naughty word list ;-P )

Once again, LL is getting away with murder, how do we know "everyone" was notified of this policy change?

Also, sure sounds to me from that email example that they are still swapping. Anyone know if this is the case?

I know of four sims that came online in the south that are reserved, WELL after the supposed cut off date

I know of at least two people that filed for full sim swaps on the FIRST day that JUST got their sims last week. The new sims may well be ones brought up cause they had nothing left for people that had to swap.

Someone else made a valid point as well, since there is no *adult* setting on classifieds, if you have mature listings to your adult land, you likely got a letter. If your on Zindra or adult flag island, should be safe to assume that your fine. (i got 6 total letters.. and i am only on Zindra land since July 13.)

Another one of LL's lovely things.. now we play the wait and see game AGAIN.


~Brie

I got the email, even though I only own a 16m test parcel, which has a blank description, not listed in search, one prim on it called "object". My alt, who *does* have Zindra land and a mainland business did *not* get the email (at least not yet). So I have to rate their process as FAIL.

Jill, they stopped accepting new tickets a month ago, but they were a month behind in processing them at that time. I can believe that they have just now caught up and finished the last few of the 850 or so total tickets (ones that had some kind of complications were probably left for last).

I've yet to receive the email, though one of my islands is primarily occupied by a BDSM club which certainly uses a several banned words in the parcel description. I don't think they advertise in classifieds, which may be why no one's heard from LL.

I'm certainly intending to flag my islands as adult, but I don't want so to do before everyone else does because I don't want to disadvantage or inconvenience my tenants more than I'm forced to. On the other hand, I certainly don't want to put them or me at risk of an AR. And I don't like the current inequitable situation in which businesses on Zindra are disadvantaged.

As people who attend/read the transcripts of our Monday chats with Blondin will know, he's been pressed on this point frequently by me and others, but all he can tell us is that stuff will happen, "soon". It really is frustrating.

Trying to follow this, but, it's confusing. I thought you already are on Zindra? If so, then what's the problem, why is LL sending you emails about your adult content?

The e-mail seems to imply that somewhere on the non-Zindra Mainland I have some parcel description or classified with one or more of the banned adult words in the description. (I think)

LL cannot tell me what these words are or where this parcel is located - but I better fix it before I am suspended some time in September for the offense that cannot be identified.

Since the email is signed customer support, then email or call customer support and ask what the f**k they are talking about. I submitted a ticket just now for exactly that reason.

Meanwhile - since the Zindra move tickets are more or less done, I moved them to an archive page, to make room for more governance team reports. The email we are talking about is one item to discuss there, who got it, who didnt, etc.

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Move_Tickets
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Move_Tickets

What's the link to that?

Also jago from Zindra Allaince established a place for us to post also

http://zindra.ning.com/

From: Zindra Alliance
to me

show details 12:12 PM (1 minute ago)

Group Notice From: Blondin Linden

In an attempt to reach out to those still using adult key words on Mature / PG Land, many of you who have already moved to adult land may have gotten the email as well. We're sorry for the confusion. The list was a bit more inclusive than we had anticipated.

If you have have already moved or flagged your land as adult, then no further action is currently needed.
_______________________________________
I'm still confused

That could put you on the fast track to management at Linden Lab!

In my ticket, I asked them to *include the offending classified or parcel description* in the next email they send. That way we know what to change (or to ignore it if its based on old data - I *did* have a mainland parcel with adult content, before the Zindra move, its entirely possible they are looking at the old data. It's also possible they included current Zindra land in the database search for the email. We don't know, cause they did not get specific.

Once again some features of search have changed, this time with the updated website.

Main changes:

* Any uppercase letter anywhere in a word causes search.secondlife.com to let a word through. This has the side effect of letting BDSM and XXX get searched where they did not before.

* Dungeon is no longer filtered either in Viewer search, or website search.

Please check out the independant wiki page for the latest info:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/...ntent_Keywords?
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

If you note something that's different than what is written there, please edit or put a note in the talk page

I have gotten partway through checking the hundreds of words NOT filtered in the past. We keep a list of words we have checked to save other people from wondering what works and what does not work.

Sorry for prolonged absence folks- I've been rebuilding my computer after a meltdown

Here's my take on the whole ZA thing. The problem is one of definition. Is the ZA representative of *all* zindra residents, or only *some* of them? Is it a *governing* group, or a private one?


If the ZA is going to be a governing group, then it should *act* like one, and govern itself as such. That means putting up with dissenting views, as well as slander of the officers. If you are the *government* then you must be *above* reproach, and you must have a thick enough skin that the printed slings and arrows of the disgruntled do not stir you to reprisals.

In short, you need to behave with *more* decorum and simply not care whether your detractors behave with *less*.

A governing group needs to have *no personalities to conflict with*. It is an organization that has a single purpose, and ought to have no truck with the banning of anyone, except for the violation of carefully detailed and specific rules (like "no spamming the group chat with advertising" for instance). Personality conflicts simply have no place within such a group. The will of the group with regards to officers and membership is expressed in a vote, not by fiat.

So, it seems to me that the ZA needs to decide what it wants to be- A private club of landowners who have the ear of blondin linden, or a group that represents all Zindra residents.

It cannot be both at the same time, and from what I can see, most of the trouble comes from the fact that its role is unclear. It is *trying* to be both, and that leads every member to see it as what they *think* it is.

The officers should state clearly whether they are representative of *all* zindra residents, or only of *some* of the residents.

If they represent *everyone*, then it doesn't matter how annoying or disruptive someone is- you cannot kick them out unless they break rules of the group that are decided in advance of the offense.
You must first *publish* the rules, and *then* punish infractions- not the other way around.

That I have been checking my e-mail regularly during my absence, and seen *nothing* of this in my forwarded ZA group messages indicates to me that the business with Lias is a personal matter, not an organizational one. I have seen no published set of rules in the group messages that LIas violated. I knew nothing of this whole issue until I checked this forum today.

This indicates to me that the ZA is *not* a group for zindra-wide representation at present. If that is the case, then the "Zindra flag contest" ought to have been the "ZA flag contest".

You cannot claim to represent all of Zindra, and exclude some people who are residents of Zindra because they are annoying. No matter *what* the provocation. the exclusion of anyone from a *governing* group is a serious one, and must follow some form of "due process of law" other than simply the will of the officers.

So, the owners and officers of ZA need to decide what they want to be. The governing body, or a private club. and then they need to behave that way.

IF a governing body, then vote on and publish the rules, re-admit Lias and give him/her enough rope to hang him/herself fair and square.

If a private club, then make it clear to Blondin that you do not speak for all of zindra, and that he needs to start a group for that purpose, and meet with *that* group to "take the temperature of Zindra".

I don't have an vested interests in either choice, but I *do* have a vested interest in seeing all of this personal crap scooted off the Zindra agenda and to see the establishment of *some* sort of "official channels" so that we have a vehicle to get things done with LL.

C'mon people. LL has been screwing us all along. do we *really* need to *help* them do it?

^V^

"snip"



Gavin, you seem to be saying that the ZA is *not* a representative or "governing" body, correct? If that is the case, then the ZA needs to "declare that loud and clear" to blondin, because *he* certainly seems to think that the ZA is the "voice of Zindra".

Or, the ZA could step up and *be* the "voice of Zindra". That would entail the stepping back of the personalities of the group, and an emphasis on the rules and responsibilities of the group- on *becoming* a "government or political party"

And frankly, there's no point in trying to "fight the lindens", but a representative body could *bug* the lindens into paying attention to our concerns, and we'd stand a lot better chance of having our collective interests served if someone at least *represented* them to LL in an official capacity.

I completely understand the desire of the ZA owners and officers to retain control over their creation. BUt that level of control is not possible alongside the power that Blondin seems to be bestowing on the group. It would seem that the ZA can either be fish or fowl, but not both.

In trying to *be* both, the ZA is giving Blondin the idea that he is dealing with Zindra as a whole- which was the sort of LL attitude that most of us complained about when we found out what "extensive consultation with adult content designers and merchants" meant with respect to formulating "operation: Hide adult content from everyone".

Because the discussions were so informal, LL was able top proceed as if a new "adult" classification of content was something that we *wanted*. it allowed them to ignore many other ways to do things that would have been mentioned had they had access to a wider range of opinion, presented in an organized way.

LL is doing the same thing now. Blondin talks to the ZA meetings and goes back to LL saying "people in Zindra want X", not "I was talking to some Zindra landowners the other day, and they had some personal concerns they want me to bring up".

Whether it's fair or not, Blondin is *treating* the ZA as if it were the government. the ZA ought to either start *acting* like one, or tell Blondin to stop *treating* it like one.

Either one would be fine with me, and I imagine that it would make the lives of the ZA officers a lot less "interesting" as well

^V^

Out of curiosity, how did the BCA deal with the problem of having LInden "attention" and the responsibility that entailed for representation of Bay City as a whole?

The rubber seems to be meeting the road at that point here- Blondin treats ZA like a government, ZA acts like a government in some way, not in others, and claims not to speak for all of Zindra, but recognizes that blondin isn't talking to any other groups about Zindra issues.

ZA obviously feels some responsibility, but also seems to resent it, and wants to keep its autonomy as a semi-private club with its own interests- those interest are currently in line with most Zindra residents, but they may not always be.

I have no reason to believe that the ZA stuff is anything more than friction over not really knowing what the ZA is *for*. How did the BCA get through this process and do you have any helpful suggestions for how Zindra can duplicate your success?

^V^