New Zindra Blog Post

Generally speaking, you're fine if no neighbors complain and if LDPW doesn't discover some use for the protected land, but if either of those things happen, your encroaching prims (at least) may disappear without notice. FWIW, I did the same thing--with my store, no less--and I'm not losing a lot of sleep over what might happen someday. I tried to do a decent job of landscaping the joint and generally not being a dick so others wouldn't feel the urge to complain about it, but I could easily wake up one morning to a store that had no floor at all.

Thanks for responding Qie, and that made me think of something too. At this moment the walking bridges are linked to the entire build, so if they remove those prims they remove my entire building Will link them in a way not too much damage is done. Though it would surprise me if the moles actually go and do something with the community land

By the way I still have that 512 and do not really need it anymore (can use the zindra land as backup parcels), so if you ever want it back just yell

If you build over Linden land and someone ARs you because they ran into your solid bridge, a Linden will return it. Phantom builds they tend to leave alone.

Well with teir being charged I think that might change things....I'm not selling mine but I think that might be the last straw for me with this zindra bruhaha if they make you pay for your land but can not sell it

It's possible they may be a little more forgiving of Zindra landowners who ended up on weirdly chopped-up parcels because there's a lot of Zindra that has such gaps simply to free up enough prims to make the parcels double-primmed. These "pathways to nowhere" have the additional advantage of insuring at least a 4m separation between neighboring builds, but when the neighbors are the same person, that's not such a virtue.

Nonetheless, it's anybody's guess which Linden will process which AR, and what they had for lunch that day, so yeah: all encroaching builds are "at risk" and it's speculation what one can do to mitigate that risk.

They are *supposed* to notify us when its time for tier to kick in... i didn't get any such letter, im or otherwise. It seems to me, that if they kick tier in, it should be due 30 days AFTER that date... since if you buy mainland, your tier is due 30 days later. I've got nothing yet.


~Brie

I really doubt we will get an email or anything? And if I get a bill thirty days from now that mean I'm being charged for the land now since they bill you at the end of the period not the begining and therefore should be able to do with it as I please. Honestly I can't understand how they would switch all the sims from estate to regular mainland without charging us for teir. There are already parcels cut in my sim so I expect to see auctions any day now.

Well look on the secondlife website at your land holdings. All Zindra parcels were listed as 0 before (just like estate land in your name), while now the actual land size is mentioned and calculated into your land holdings. So yes, tier kicked in. But if someone wants to sell I suppose it is best to chat with Lindens first, just to be sure.

As for the encroaching: I am going to change the build in a way that even removing the bridges would do me no harm, but is is not really roads or so. Hope to stay safe

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I agree completely with your premise, but I'm coming at it from a different angle.

I don't think that BDSM items ought to be filtered, beyond an avowal that the searcher is over 18 years of age. after that, it ought to be up to the consumer to watch out for stuff that offends them, and go somewhere else if they find something they don't like.

SL is like any of other web activity. some stuff is innocent, and some stuff is horrific. it's up to the viewer to decide which is which on a case-by-case basis.


However, since LL is taking these steps, and seem to be immune to the logic of *not* doing this, then their rules should at least be applied fairly and uniformly. Gorean RP is based upon a particular activity -slavery. It is part and parcel of the experience. it isn't some sort of minor aberration, or fluke.

That being the case, it is presumably as offensive to the people who find BDSM offensive enough to restrict.

As long as BDSM is filtered, then so should gorean activities. If people want to make dungeons, shackles, and stocks for a pirate RP sim, they have to flag as adult in order to market those goods as BDSM equipment. Is it fair that the folks who want to market medieval gear to Goreans *don't* have to flag in order to do so?

No, it isn't.

Thus my attitude is that the whole "adult content" program is an ill-conceived "charlie-fox" from the very start. However, as long as we merchants and builders are getting screwed, then the screwing ought to be as fair as possible, according to set rules. That goreans are able to find their stuff in PG and Mature searches is blatantly unfair, when people have to be account verified to search for BDSM stuff. (age verification still doesn't work for me- I have an alt- my first SL avatar who age verified 3 separate times and *still cannot go to Zindra*).

I think that *neither* Goreans nor BDSM ought to be filtered terms. but as long as one of them is, then both should be.

^V^

Sorry about that Wynochee- I realize that those terms might be offensive to some. Why don't we start a letter-writing campaign to get them put on the filtered term list? we can make sure that those words cannot be searched with "adult" preferences checked!

P.S. I recommend an American toothpaste with whitening agents for fang polishing- I find that the sight of fangs glinting in the moonlight makes the job of attracting victims *much* easier- particularly if one hunts in Goth bars

^V^

I'm still not sure what happened to us in that regard. phantom landscaping prims, centered on our land, but extenting over the boundary into linden land- there were no neighbors to disrupt. both examples were in the middle of a stretch of coastline, far from anyone else's land we're completely separated from any other landowners by strips of "linden land". BUt we evidently drew and AR for it, and a threat of suspension if we didn't get rid of them.

We're talking waves- a small prim island with a palm tree and a little particle smoke from a fire. all hugging the shore.

Meanwhile, practically *everyone* else does this, the make of the prim waves builds them specifically for this purpose, and advertises their utility for this purpose.

Did we piss someone off? Even blondin has said that the practice is okay as long as you don't block the waterway, and people can sail. I've even seen people allowed to rez stuff *on* linden land- as in the owner of the object was the person adjacent to the protected strip.

is it just an FIC thing? who do I need to bite to be able to do what everyone else is doing?

^V^

[13:33] Blondin Linden: Marcel, land can be sold and bought. We're preping a blog to communicate the date the auctions will start as well

We had a chat with Blondin as well and he confirmed that Zindra land can now be sold on the open market.

http://www.slapt.me/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&p=4722#p4722

I am thinking my own sim would be nice about now

sighs I wish

Okay, I would just like to express my sincere sympathies to anyone who's tried to play by the rules and moved to Zindra. I haven't been following this very much, since I only care about Zindra as it affects the rest of mainland. But I went to office hours today on the off chance that some other aspect of "mainland communities" would come up, and my god, what a train wreck. I might almost have sympathized with him if the first thing I heard him say hadn't shown a complete misunderstanding of mainland tier, and after that... *shakes head aghast*

Thank you Rihanna.. its nice to know that people care.. even if you can't DO anything.. at least you spoke up.


I emailed the transcripts of today's OH to slapt.me, expect to see them posted. IF anyone wants a NC of them in world before then, Im me

~Brie

LL has started to flip the estates. I got this down as a group message yesterday:



That should cheer some of you up. For those of you (and yes, I'm well aware the AR parties have started) who feel the need to ruin others SLs as LL has ruined ours you'd better get cracking as they are obviously going through their token enforcement.

@ anyone interested in tier

The only time you ever get a months grace between buying land and the tier being paid is if you take out a premium account *and* buy land on the same day.

your tier date is fixed to the premium subscription date and your tier liability is calculated using the maximum amount of land you have held in the 30 days up to the minute they take the liability payment. As they say in the kb, even if you only hold it for 5 minutes you'll still pay the max liability.

So those with a tier date of the 1st most likely got hit for the zindra tier without even being aware that zindra was flipped to active on that date.

This just show's how completely out of the loop Blondin is. Didn't he say on Monday (31st) that he'd still not heard anything about when it would kick in?

The transcript is up now at:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hour_transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_9-02-2009

Thanks Brie

Fortunately the American toothpaste sortiment is complete available here in A. All the brands. Incl. the new developments with nano-particles. Tomorrow midnight I test the effect.

Maybe I'm just missing the point, but aside from the mixed signals on when tier was going to start, I don't see a downside to enforcement starting now, along with the auctions and all the rest of it.

Personally, I couldn't bring myself to AR anybody selling Adult anything anywhere, but I also couldn't fault anybody else for doing it--least of all a merchant who swapped to Zindra and who's been hung out to dry for the past two months while their customers flock to whatever disguised adult content Search will find for them on Mature regions.

If LL can't bring themselves to roll-back Zindra (or Search) to the pre-Adult ratings until they're ready to enforce (however much "enforcement" they have planned), I don't see the downside to making that enforcement date nearer to the original plan rather than some unspecified time in the future (which is where we were just a couple days ago).

We're still screwed by 1.23 not being mandatory and the prospect of Search being completely neutered in pre-1.23 viewers, and we were given some bad info about tier dates, but the rest of it seems to me a distinct improvement since Blondin's Monday Zindra meeting.

I can for two reasons:

1. because LL can do the job easier, quicker and consistently. Relying on us to do their job for them is their way of keeping the cost down, despite it being unreliable, actually less cost effective and inefficient. There's no way they would ever be able to quickly process all the ARs for every business still advertising on mature and by relying on the discretion of the GTeam it's a recipe for inconsistent decisions.

2. because it generates divisions between members of the SL community. Whilst this divide and conquer (or at least divide and ignore) is a preferred method of LL, I would prefer people to actually come together to improve conditions. Like having 1.23 made mandatory and telling people about how to find adult content.

and as some who only has a couple of items of furniture and some candlesticks that could possibly be sold on mature I am well and truly hung out to dry by this. However, I don't fault anyone who sensibly chose to ignore LL on this and I wish them well. Yes, they'll probably put me out of business but that's my fault for actually ascribing a credibility of intent to LL over this policy that past performance has amply demonstrated they just don't have.

This question may be coming in late, but who were the big businesses Zindra was discussed with prior to it's existing, are these big businesses actually operating on Zindra now?

Oh, wouldn't I LOVE to see some names attached to the anonymous speakers who are featured in the brown bag meetings . . .

Good luck on that one.

Go looking for the transcripts, iirc that identifies all the speakers.

Content separation was discussed in certain groups/OHs well before those brown bags. I was given a not so subtle hint about it 5 weeks before the official announcement on Mar 12 and unfortunately didn't follow it up.


I don't actually think that there are any "big businesses" on zindra. Most of the big ones are on their own private islands. I do believe that some have an outpost on zindra but most of the zindra only businesses appear to be the smaller outfits or people who prefer mainland.

However assuming those outfits have switched to adult then there must be an impact for them too. AFAIK there is no mechanism for adult estate owners to discuss the content separation issues with LL as there two office hours (3 if you include Jacks) are primarily concerned with mainland.

Ah, thanks! The transcripts I've seen, from the SL blog, didn't identify by name, which frankly added to the impression that the set-up for this was rather a cosy affair.

I can imagine that you do regret not attending that. For what's it worth, I suppose, you can console yourself with the observation that LL had no end of good advice before the final system was put in place, and managed to effectively ignore most of it anyway.