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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-01-2009 10:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
Even if I change the name to "fluffy bunnies cuddle rug" right after I buy it?

Well . . . I quite understand that ferrets have "special needs," so I think we can make an exception . . .
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-01-2009 10:44
From: Airt Pexington
From: Valerius Constantine
.. BDSM is a dom creating a fantasy for the benefit and according to the limits of, a sub. the sub is in charge. ...

True.

Gor in one sentence: "A girl does not give herself as a gift to her Master, the Master gives the slave the gift of ownership."

This is a VERY nice point.
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09-01-2009 11:36
Looks like all Zindra land is going through a rolling restart so tier can be charged now....and let the sales begin
Innula Zenovka
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09-01-2009 12:41
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Because I believe that businesses have a responsibility to be ethical members of their community. And a decision that is based PURELY on financial considerations will only be "ethical" by accident.

I could create a VERY long list indeed of businesses that have created horrendous conditions for workers, horrible industrial accidents, etc., etc., because their only consideration was financial gain.

The point is not, of course, that LL is going to produce the SL version of the Exxon Valdez through its practices. But the same principle applies: LL's decisions about "adult content" should be based at least as much on a wide range of ethical considerations (including treating all segments of its customer base fairly), as upon financial concerns.
Sorry, but I can't agree. I would far rather constrain companies' behaviour through the civil and criminal law rather than rely on what the board may or may not think is "ethical" at any given moment. That at least gives us all a degree of certainty and consistency and also gives us some degree of democratic oversight rather than trusting selection panels to hire nice people.

I would argue, in this context, that Linden Labs' conduct isn't particularly sensible because it's not good practice to upset a lot of the customer base, many of whom -- including me -- are now far more likely than we were a year ago to jump ship when a viable alternative presents itself. Furthermore, I know at least one person -- my oldest and closest friend in SL -- who, in RL, is in a position to make such commercial decisions and won't touch SL with a bargepole now as a commercial platform -- despite Amanda Linden's best efforts in https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/workinginworld/blog/2009/08/19/open-letter-to-your-boss because this whole debacle has convinced her that the current management team is pretty amateurish and flaky, and not really people with whom she'd want to do business, thus risking her employers' money.
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09-01-2009 13:11
From: Gummo Zaks
Looks like all Zindra land is going through a rolling restart so tier can be charged now....and let the sales begin
Middle of September comes early this year.
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09-01-2009 13:14
From: Innula Zenovka
Sorry, but I can't agree. I would far rather constrain companies' behaviour through the civil and criminal law rather than rely on what the board may or may not think is "ethical" at any given moment.
We need both.
From: someone
That at least gives us all a degree of certainty and consistency
If unethical people get in charge of a business they are not constrained by civil or criminal law except in so far as they believe they will get caught.

I note that the rest of your article is neither about ethics or law, but about reputation. Which is a third dimension that must be considered. :)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-01-2009 14:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
We need both.
If unethical people get in charge of a business they are not constrained by civil or criminal law except in so far as they believe they will get caught.

I note that the rest of your article is neither about ethics or law, but about reputation. Which is a third dimension that must be considered. :)

This.
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09-01-2009 16:01
From: Argent Stonecutter
We need both.
If unethical people get in charge of a business they are not constrained by civil or criminal law except in so far as they believe they will get caught.

I note that the rest of your article is neither about ethics or law, but about reputation. Which is a third dimension that must be considered. :)

Sure, but I would rather rely on businesses behaving within the law and with a view -- because it's in their interests so do -- to having a good reputation as people with whom to do business than I would rely on their being guided by their sense of what may or may not be ethical other than in the sense of adhering to sound business ethics like not cooking the books or trying to evade the law.

My problem is that different people tend to have different views about what's ethical and what isn't. I might think that a company is behaving pretty shabbily but the directors doubtless take a different view. Rather than argue about what's ethical and what isn't, in business I'll settle for adherence to the rules, so long as I know what they are. Anything more is a bonus.
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09-01-2009 16:12
From: Innula Zenovka
Sure, but I would rather rely on businesses behaving within the law and with a view -- because it's in their interests so do -- to having a good reputation as people with whom to do business than I would rely on their being guided by their sense of what may or may not be ethical other than in the sense of adhering to sound business ethics like not cooking the books or trying to evade the law.
You're still making it an "either-or" situation. It's not. It's remarkably rare to find a company in a position where it has to "settle for" either "obeying the law" or "acting ethically".
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-01-2009 16:33
From: Innula Zenovka
I might think that a company is behaving pretty shabbily but the directors doubtless take a different view.

In practice, companies have certainly NOT had a good track record in this regard. And even those that appreciate the value of APPEARING to be ethical tend to use this as a smoke screen or PR approach, even while actually behaving in many regards quite unethically. (A certain well-known coffee outlet springs to mind in this regard.)

But is it really so impossible for a company to behave ethically without either stick of the law, or the carrot of "reputation," to force them to do so? I hope not. If this IS so, it is a pretty powerful argument for a lot more government regulation than is even now the case, and MUCH more public transparency.
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09-01-2009 17:22
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're still making it an "either-or" situation. It's not. It's remarkably rare to find a company in a position where it has to "settle for" either "obeying the law" or "acting ethically".
No, I am just talking about what I'm prepared to rely on. Otherwise we find ourselves in impossible balancing acts between -- for example -- what a company makes of its potentially conflicting ethical responsibilities to its shareholders, employees, customers, suppliers, the local community, the national economy, the environment and heaven knows what.

Take an example. A major supermarket chain is considering building a large out-of-town store near a smallish town. The issues involved in this sort of development are well-enough known. What ethical considerations should the board take into account in deciding whether go ahead with the planning application or not? What ethical, as opposed to legal, considerations should sway the body dealing with the application?

Obviously everyone involved should behave ethically in the sense of not being corrupt, but I'm really not sure what ethical debates the different parties to the decision should conduct both among and between themselves and how they might best resolve them.
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09-01-2009 18:02
From: Innula Zenovka
No, I am just talking about what I'm prepared to rely on.
I'm willing to rely on eternal vigilance.
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09-01-2009 18:03
From: Scylla Rhiadra

This is NOT the case with Gor. The whole Gorean world is built on a very comprehensive and stable view of human nature and society derived ultimately from one man's philosophical vision. That it is a terribly facile, outdated, and deeply misogynist philosophy is, in terms of the point I am trying to make right now, not really relevant: the point is that EVERYTHING with which the adjective "Gorean" is associated partakes, to some degree or another, of that philosophy, derived ultimately from John Lange, aka John Norman, and his books.

To me, speaking as a feminist, the very word "Gor" is wrapped up with all of what we know that particular culture to represent. And for that reason, if sexual violence really IS what we are targeting, I think it should, more even than "BDSM," be listed as a restricted term.


This, exactly IMO
Morgaine Alter
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09-01-2009 18:51
uh just got griefer cubes in Zindra at my sim Old Elms and the next door sim where I have land ...had to log out
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09-01-2009 18:54
Experienced them too, pops up an annoying menu popup
djspiderman Zimminy
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09-01-2009 18:55
me too-- griefer cubes with HUD .. anyone know if its clear to go back yet?

yawns
Distilled1 Rush
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09-01-2009 18:59
WTF is that shit! * I am adult therefore I swear! *

I have seen cubes all kinds of crap but WTF was that? guess LL owes me 100/hr. for my work! or a refund on the damn group tire I paid from the start no break!

its their responsibility to secure their servers! I have never had ia greif attack like that its from the inside (.)

NO cubes just a blue pop up nasty raciest thing
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09-01-2009 19:40
From: Distilled1 Rush
I have never had ia greif attack like that its from the inside (.)

/me blinks. Really?
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Drongle McMahon
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09-01-2009 20:08
Do I see 20 new regions?
Lots of nice steep coastline.
Distilled1 Rush
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09-01-2009 22:49
From: Sindy Tsure
/me blinks. Really?



I have been through many never something like that. 3 years always just replicaors and crap that was hell The UI froze I could not do a thing and not one prim extra on my land .. inside I don't know but damn I normally can kill particles or find a replicator and move on that was some crap!
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09-01-2009 22:51
From: Drongle McMahon
Do I see 20 new regions?
Lots of nice steep coastline.



Yes and they connect to my land! I like the look as it makes for a great river ! the land well I don't think I would want it but for Linden river for tubes and rafts or even boats damn nice!
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09-01-2009 22:52
From: djspiderman Zimminy
me too-- griefer cubes with HUD .. anyone know if its clear to go back yet?

yawns


I had on eof them about 4 weeks ago, something about a Jewish thing I think.
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09-01-2009 23:04
So did anyone notice there is land for sale by residents in Zindra again?
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09-02-2009 00:36
From: Gummo Zaks
Looks like all Zindra land is going through a rolling restart so tier can be charged now....and let the sales begin


My sales already started as soon as my parcels were visible in Search, though not rocking yet of course. But I do have faith in Zindra, just hope that people try their best to make something from it.

Something else, I recall postings about Zindra land owner groups? What are they about and is it useful to join them?

Finally, I have 4 parcels in Zindra, 1024 double prim land each. Looks like this:
____...____
|AAA|..|BBB|
|AAA|..|BBB|
|AAA|..|BBB|
|___|..|___|
____....____
|CCC|..|DDD|
|CCC|..|DDD|
|CCC|..|DDD|
|___|...|___|

Now I did put a building on each of them, and connected them with walking bridges over the protected land in between them. And I am even thinking of putting up a big floor at about 10 meters above ground level. That way I will leave the walkways open, but technically I build on (over?) protected land of course. Anyone knows how LL reacts to those kind of things?
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09-02-2009 01:43
From: Brieanne Bomazi
So did anyone notice there is land for sale by residents in Zindra again?


AR it as it is not allowed atm, until the auctions open.
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