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And 1.23 is not good enough for that. It was rushed out too quickly because of this whole Adult Content mess, with a screwed up pie menu and stability problems. Linden Lab can not make 1.23 mandatory until they have 1.24 in the bag.

It's no good demanding 1.22 be blocked.

If you want something actually possible, ask for them to hold off on actually blocking access to Adult land until they've resolved the problems in 1.23.

I think you overestimate the importance people put on a community group. So long as people think they can get better results acting as a group, they will do so. For now we have a few major "startup" issues with adult content and Zindra to get done, so this group makes sense. Once the land auctions open, and people are "required" to be on the 1.23 software, and the glowy roads are fixed, I expect we will dissolve into attending to our own parcels.

The people who will remain in the community group are the people for whom community stuff is their version of "fun", just like writing software documentation is my version of fun - check out the manual I'm working on for SL:

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User%27s_Manual
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User%27s_Manual

I find political infighting *not* fun, which is why I have not bothered joining the ZA group. I do, however, have some understanding of human nature. Just cause I dont enjoy something I can still understand how it works, and point out how it works to anyone who cares.

Human nature is we mostly care about ourselves, and those who are close to us (friends and family). We also descended from primates who lived in small groups. Anytime you get more than around 30-50 people together, the group tends to split into factions cause you have too many who want to be "in charge" (alpha). Some people have a need to feel important and the center of attention. They often *create* drama, just so there can be a crisis they can be in the middle of and get attention. They place their need for attention above any other interest, even their own rational self interest.

This is just the way people are. Wanting everyone to get along in a happy collective where everyone works for the common good is just wishful thinking.

Because office hours are a zoo that just dont work. 40 people talking to one linden, and he cherry picks his answers according to either time, or just answering what he wants to answer and ignore the rest.

It would work just as well if groups and individuals submitted notecards with a list of issues before a meeting, and he just shows up to answer them based on how many people asked (group of 100 asking a question counts for more than one person on his own, but total up the people asking, and deal with the questions in order of popularity).

I think the answer is to pose the question to Jack to day before the meeting is it OH or is it a ZA and Blondin meeting because over the last many pages of discussion Gavin has stated catergorically that it is Za/Blondin, that people can attend but on the understanding we do not disrupt the procederes by raising our own questions. I just want Jack to know that I am not being represented by ZA and that I want the opportunity should I need it to atttend an OH and discuss issues, without being shouted down by a group that feels it has ownership of the meeting.

Thanks for arranging this, and helping out those of us who never learned to hunt--and even those of us who are too lazy to fish.

You're right: set up is easy--especially if one follows the (simple) instructions.

FWIW, I'm excited about this hunt, and hope the participants have fun. At the moment I'm giving away just one prize (a pretty darn nice one, if I do say so myself), but I'm still hoping to stuff a few more goodies into the hunt server before the 22nd.

I agree that 1.23 has technical problems. I actually use snowglobe and Kirsten's S18 cause they are more stable for me. If the shutoff date for 1.22 turns out to be "30 days after 1.24 is released", thats fine, at least its a date. Right now, we have a vague "someday" which will not prompt the remaining adult venues on mature land to change or move.

They can make the server say it will not allow clients IDing as deprecated versions to connect but rarely does the actual communications protocol get changed. The upshot is you can just tell a client to say it is another version when it connects (using the --channel command line parameter) and if it is not on the server's nogo list it will connect.

Which is why third party clients continue to work long after the code base they used are forced to upgrade. This is especially helpful for when you want to still use a computer that can not run the latest official client.

(edit: oops, others already said that, oh well)

If you want to see something *really* nice go to her blog. The current version, S18-1, is essentially a combination of S18's code base plus snowglobe's code to make textures appear faster. Emerald is also a popular choice right now too.

If it's against the rules for them to be operating, then the solution is to enforce the rules. If the rules aren't going to be enforced, then they're worthless and the whole Zindra exercise is a joke.

completely agree

thank you

and one last thing.

I was one of the judges of the flag competition and withdrew when I left the group as it would have been unseemly to continue. However I did offer to continue to provide one of the prizes for the winner/s but on further reflection this is probably not a wise course of action.

Now is your chance to be up in arms about this. I am quite happy to withdraw the sponsorship offer rather than have howls of outrage detract from the decision and of course I have no desire to give certain elements the opportunity to yet again attempt to smear my reputation with ill conceived and unsubstantiated allegations.

Feel free to discuss it in the group and give Jago your decision.

Invariably I open SL from a desktop shortcut. So I don't see a command line. Would one add the parameter by starting SL from the "run" prompt in the Start menu? Or from DOS?

/me is still pretty clueless ...

You could do it either way, although the simplest is to modify the shortcut. I think one of the Torley videos said the steps for running multiple SL sessions and it would be the same idea, you want to add --channel "my sl client version name" to the shortcut. Pretty much any string will do to avoid the "you must upgrade" message.

You can use the Shortcut "Properties" menu to alter the command line. Just right click on the shortcut. It is also where you set SL up to run multiple viewers.

Ah, very cool. TY Kara! And Brenda!

Yep. I'm using a Cool Viewer based on LL viewer 1.19.5 and never get the upgrade message.

I think that is a great thing to do, I cannot see a issue with that?

Yes I agree, even Constanza withdrew as a Judge as she left the group. We are though, still happy to display the flags as long as the ZA wants us to as it is a community effort.

Has he actually told you this, Lias? Quite possibly you're correct, but I don't think that without further evidence we can safely rule out the possibility that his words do, in fact, bear their surface meaning.

Very excited about the hunt. Couldbe, I'll get that server and stuff set up today. Sorry for the slacking!

How does your business compare to the mainland using 1. Traffic count and 2. Lindens spent?

My guess is that at least half of you did not even have a real business on the mainland. You relabeled your land and traded to be on Zindra thinking you'd make money by flipping the land or by benefiting from your neighbor's business.

Regardless of how you got there, do you really think Zindra is going to prosper from personal attacks on each other? Save your need for continent domination for role playing.

Everyone talks about wanting "a level playing field" with the rest of SL. So, I suggest you kindly request that LL give you equal standing in search, allow you to sell your land, and charge you tier.

I encourage you to focus on what you all want to accomplish.

PRINCIPLES OVER PERSONALITIES will take you far.

(OK, now comes the obligatory attack on me for speaking.)

Take responsibility. You smear your own reputation when you involve yourself in supposed 'community' activities that benefit your business and not include an open call to all Zindra business to sponsor such an event.

You want to keep making these snide, passive-aggressive, comments. YOU keep things going and make no effort to put your resentments aside.

Fly the flags side-by-side like a United Nation of individuals making up a community. Give them all prizes for their community spirit. The flag you decide is the 'winner' would not represent anyone except Zindra Alliance anyway.

No you sang a lovely Song
We just had to change direction to get to the place you described. Now at least we have some direction that is inclusive and community-minded. Thank you for your post.

Innula, Blondin is NEVER going to say that he will only allow a member of Zindra Alliance to control his Monday meeting at Zindra.
Why are you and Gavin even holding out hope that he will? Don't you think that such a system would cause more resentment in the community? It just seems like a power play to me.

I refer you to post 2753



It's a competition.. If you want to organise something different and more to your liking then go for it - none of us is stopping you from doing anything that would actually benefit Zindra for a change.