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When and where is the Zindra meeting with Blondin this week?

Its always Monday at 11AM SL time at the Cafe Molchachino in Bronlen
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bronlen/128/128/2
Slapt.me will continue to bring us the transcript from that.

uh you know what?

I went to a meeting once the first time...I knew nothing of anything about it being a groups meeting, saw it as a Linden was there. So I went. I was not in the group at the time.
I talked to Blondin about something and he answered me. So yeah it was an open meeting, as far as I am concerned. Why all the bickering, there is a meeting a linden is there go be a part of the process. Its your right, be part of the cure not the illness.

I think that's for Blondin to say, not Gavin.

There is a process involved in developing a community rather than individuals all looking out for themselves and pushing their personal agendas. Nothing wrong with personal-agenda-driven activities - But Blondin made it clear he would also like to hear what we as a collective client base all want to happen in Zindra. When developing an organization that purports to be developed for that purpose - one would need to put ones personal agendas aside and focus on the collective. And that means including the collective in decision making at all times.

For some reason Devlin Davis was just kicked out of the Zindra Alliance group. When he asked why the fellow that kicked him just said 'bye' and would not respond again. Maybe because he is from 2005 they thought he was my alt or something. He just mentioned it to me in passing and was not really concerned about it. But its odd the kicking continues.

Your distinctiveness will be added to ours - resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

Vote Lias for Borg Queen!

I don't know where you are from, Lias, but they tried that "collective" stuff in the 20th century, and it didn't work very well. The reason is that human beings act in their self-interest most of the time. And since Zindra is populated at present by *businesses* that qualified for the move, the model you should be looking at is a local Chamber of Commerce:

A gathering of businesses that happen to be located in the same place, but whom each are out for their own interests.

As such, we want to get the street signs and potholes fixed, but we don't have a lot of time to waste on collectivist bull. What I really think you guys need to come up with is a "Top 5 Zindra issues that need fixing" and hammer on Blondin or whoever until those get done. When one gets done, add another to replace it.

Why 5? thats about how many things the human mind can keep in short term memory.

My vote for #1 issue? A hard cutoff date for 1.23 viewer to be required/search cuts off adult places on non-adult land/G-Team enforces maturity rules. All that should happen about the same time, and be announced with enough advance notice for people to deal with it. If Blondin can't give us a date, then we need to find out which of his bosses does know and hammer them to tell us.

Hehe - yeah, I just realized I sounded like a Dr. Who episode"
Agreed.
I wasn't suggesting my idea of a process was better than any other - I insisted we needed a process and Zindra Alliance had none in place. Now they do and we are good to go (we hope).

Wonder if Gavin will be publishing an "official" explanation of why THAT happened?

It's just a random witch hunt for any Lias sympathizers and/or alts. If I wanted to go to the meeting today I would have - But I didn't want it to turn into a Dr. Phil episode - I knew I could just read the transcript later.

I think Gavin is working toward closing open enrollment in Zindra Alliance and having the meetings on land he controls so he can keep non-members away. Like a secret society. Sounds like a new role play - The Secret Society of Zindra! Will it be DCS or SpellFire?

If you want to communicate effectively with other people, you have to use common criteria, not your own.

Obviously 40 people agreed to that Criteria - because they were more than happy to attend the meeting I planned t take place on Zindra today to develop an inclusive agenda before presenting any ideas to Blondin on Monday. The communication was more than effective beacuse the ZA leadership did something they have never done by facilitating that meeting.

Won't happen. You can use viewers back to 1.18 right now, even though 1.22 is allegedly required.

Why then did I get a forced upgrade to . . . um . . . whatever the latest one is?

ETA: I think it's 1.23.4 . . .

Because you didn't add a "--channel" option to the command line instead.

Um, ok. So . . . is that good or bad?

(Yeah, that's right. I'm utterly clueless about this stuff. What can I say? I make books . . .)

It's neither good nor bad, it's just a fact.

/me decides to remain content with being utterly clueless.

You were at this meeting where he stated that, you heard the argument that occured over his statement, dont hide things

Let me say that clearer you were there recorded in this meeting today when gavin made those statements and you too where pt down a few times for your approach to demanding things and was told you could not speak for the whole community just for ZA
so you get over it

I understand where you are coming from, I was just also stating when I was not aware of anything other then, hey its Linden at a meeting, I went and did not have any feelings that I couldnt be heard. I dont think anyone ever told me I couldn't speak at the meeting? Just how I took it. I feel all of this is just going over board in a lot of reactions here.

also going to bed night!

I dont think it is going overboard just concern that things are done in a correct way, inclusion and democraccy and not exclusion and exclusivity, while Gavin carries on stating the monday meetings belong to ZA and Blondin only of course there is going to be concern, that is not going overboard. I am sorry you feel that we are not allowed to voice our opinions but I believe there is freedom of speech in the forums as long as we stay courteous to each other, whereas in ZA there is not that freedom of speech.

As I understand it, the Monday meetings with Blondin have always been open to all Zindra landowners. Soar, I understand that Gavin thinks and has stated that they are Alliance-controlled meetings. I think he's wrong about that. I tried to make that clear in an earlier post.

My recollection of the events was that Blondin wanted to start out with meetings that consisted only of Zindra landowners because, while the swap was still going, there weren't really any tenants or other residents of Zindra other than landowners, and mostly because Blondin didn't want these meetings to address the swap process itself (he's always denied being able to affect that process), so the meetings were to be for those who had already been swapped. As I recall, there was some concern at the time about whether the Alliance consisted only of landowners, and hence whether it was an appropriate group to be represented at the meetings.

Having said all that, concerns have been raised that the Blondin meetings aren't sufficiently structured on the side of the residents--that everyone speaking at the same time without a prescribed agenda allows Blondin to pick-and-choose which things he'll reply to, and to move on without fully addressing an issue: there's no way to pin him down on any topic. So there was a call for a group to organize such an agenda.

I think, since then, things have swung too far, too fast toward a kind of "group resident governance." There is no Zindra group that's ready for anything like that yet, and trying to do too much too soon is delaying the ability of the Alliance to assume more responsibilities, and has raised doubts about its ability to handle even the structuring of a joint agenda for Blondin's meeting.

(It's actually raised more doubts than that, in my mind, but that's an individual matter.)

Hi Quie
Yes I agree with you, reading the transcript I am appalled that Gavin believes that he can exclude people from meetings held on public linden ground, he stated and argued in that transcript that ZA own those monday meetings and this is actually a serious claim that has to be set straight by LL, if that is so then Blondin needs to know it in no way represents the residents of Zindra but can only speak for those in the group, and also we then need to know how Linden will address us having the opportunity to communicate if we cannot talk freely on the Monday meetings

The transcript of the ZA meeting today showed you wanting the Slapt.me partner to leave because she refused to join the ZA group. Morgaine you complained about arguments and mudslinging and then you pick one person out of a group of 40 people and suggest she be excluded from a community meeting. And she owns a full Sim in Zindra. Please be consistent.