New Zindra Blog Post

Yes I have a choice and as shown by many here we are voicing it.
Gavin needs to take his group and go back to his own parcel of land and enjoy his roleplaying there, he is abusing the Zindra name, with these police departments and alliances, stop tying to fufil his own ego, we dont want to be governed or told what to do, we have that from Linden and that is enough. We are entitled to go talk to linden about our problems as individuals and if we are not careful Gavin will keep eating away and insisting to Blondin he has our backing until it is too late and he has done some real damage to the community

I thought it happened two weeks after we took possesion of the land

No, they're not officially charging tier on Zindra, that's why it still says it's estate but I don't know if I'm being charged via my group donations, with or without my Zindra land I'm in the same tier bracket.

Sorry Morgaine, my voice can be heard as well as yours. Your choice to read this or not.

People constantly attempting to silence discussion is just sad. We are using these forums, meetings and Ims to get to a place of understanding and acceptance. And that is what shall continue.

I have been reading the meeting notes and I cannot believe they are asking or suggesting low prim land for an office??

Recon I'd like to know this too. A friend of mine thinks his free 512 on Zindra ain't gonna get charged tier, nohow, because he ain't bin charged yet.

Blondin said we would be charged tier the middle of September when the auctions for Zindra land starts

There are no official zones I know of. Yes I knocked them up for the benefit of everyone who would find them useful.




But that was not evident at the time of the first auctions when Bay City was more or less wasteland. I also said we made changes on that realization.



If you cared to read it was originally formed as a RP group and was then later changed to be a non-RP group. The description reflects its current status.

...and we have actually solved a number of cases some of which are under investigation by RL police.


Absolutely! I am in total agreement on that one.

I suggest you take a trip to the police building in Fenfarg and read the info poster on the services we can provide. You will see none of them are authority activities with the exception of placing security orbs on land parcels where we have been given limited authority by the parcel owner.

Thanks.

Sure but I'm wondering if they've done something funky to stop group donations being charged until that point or whether some people are unwittingly being dinged for tier because of their group donations.

Oi. This sounds like that Better Business Bureau that had to be shut down because of deep-seeded issues.

I did suggest that the community donate to get some land we all could call a Land preserve and use for community and business growth events. They said that it was not ZA's role to do that. But since LL is selling off the Mosh monorail 400 meters at a time - we may want to preserve something sometime soon.

Perhaps Blondin would listen to a proposal about making the island of Zindra that community preserve we discussed - where all Zindra Community groups could use it.

The new Zindra group just formed yesterday - but they will be sending their agenda issues to Gavin and jago so there is a exchange of ideas.

Community related sounds good, but not if it is not open access 24/7 for all

Yes there are - Oatmeal was set up for this purpose (it was blogged and commented to death) - i'm sure everyone remembers the electric fences, well, it's actually been made quite nice now.



Sorry Gavin, but asking me to go to a "police" building, calling the group "police" then saying "none of them are authority activities" can you see the irony in that? Why call them "police"? You realise the role of the RL police but yet continue to use it to possibly mislead new visitors to SL. You only need to look in these forums for people who have been worried about so called "police" forces in SL.

If you want to play soldiers, fine, but don't drag us all in with you. It's RP - it should be on yoru parcel and stay on yoru parcel. As for the ZA, surely they must be able to see the damage you are doing to it?

Gomez

What exactly is your point Gomez?

My zones existed before that. They are visited by up to 200 people every day who get help to visit your stores, your land, your business.

Are you asking me to shut them, down?
If that is what the Zindra community wants I will do it in a minute! I can make much better use of the land.

Gavin your Adult Verification building is only taking up a small portion of your land anyway. But if you really want to to be 'helping' everyone in Zindra - offer free advertising there for the business owners in Zindra. It could take one prim to set up a scripted board that folks could touch and select a notecard or landmark about a Zindra business. I use a notecard giver script by Wietse Cassini for that purpose.

When did he say that? His most recent statement that I know of was his rather vague comment on August 10th, http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_10-08-2009 He also said he'd try to find out more in time for the meeting tomorrow, 'cos several people seem to have been charged anyway.

My point is address your comment about there not being any official age verification zones.

I'm not sure how you can verify being AV'd on non adult land anyway.

Of course i'm not asking you to shut them down. I, unlike some would not tell or "demand" anyone to do anything on their own parcels. I was just clarifying your point that there are indeed official (I mean real official) points. But hey, if you are doing it for the good of the community, good on you - it's nice to see a charitable effort - Just don't abuse that power

Gomez

Reading more of the ZA group discussion I see that Gavin while saying the monday meeting is open to all , insists it it a ZA and Blondin meeting as he invited him, I always undeerstood that these metings were open to all Zindra landowners not just ZA

I think that needs to be clarified tomorrow at the meeting for the sake of all SL residents - ZA agenda or not...

Gomez

I saw this in there
There is more after that. But it may not be that clear of a confirmation. Needs to be re-visited Monday.

Soar, I'm not sure what you're referring to. As I mentioned much earlier in the thread, the specific name swap of the Zindra water sim with the sim across from Mosh didn't even occur to me until the meeting and I hadn't shared it with anyone until I blurted it out as a kind of trial balloon. But the problem of "Zindra" being a water sim, far removed from the continent itself, had arisen in earlier meetings. And it was certainly my understanding that those meetings were and I fully expect shall remain open to all Zindra landholders, and eventually all residents of the continent (including tenants). I perceived the Alliance--well, as far as I knew, just Jago himself--as facilitating the meetings, not having any kind of ownership of them. And (god knows) there has never really been an agenda to those meetings in the past, other than starting with Blondin going through progress on the past meetings action items, and ending with review of actions coming from that meeting. What happened in between has been largely a free-for-all (which hasn't always been to the benefit of any of the attendees).

Thanks.. I saw that bit, too, but it's very unclear what question he's answering at that point. I read in the context of immediately preceding line, but, since other people were talking about tier at the same time, by the time he says, "Yes," I'm really not sure if he was agreeing with what had just been said, or what he thought had just been said, about tier or about private islands.

Let's hope things become clearer on Monday.

Well, you kind of can, by having two little areas, one being Aristotle "age" verified, and the other being PIOF-required--if a resident can get on either one or the other, they're good to go. And I think that's what Gavin's installation has.

The difference between Gavin's installation and the Oatmeal sims (at least the last time I was at either place, which was months ago now) is that Oatmeal provides a means of testing adult verification, but no instruction on how to achieve it.

FWIW, I also rezzed a copy of an adult verification build I originally did for SL6B, somewhere around the center of the (Mature) Tussock sim. The only reason it may be of interest is that it has translations into Dutch, German, Japanese, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, and shows the information in whatever language the viewer is currently using. (Otherwise it's a pain in the butt because it uses the official wiki to store the translated displays, and between the wiki delays and the unpredictable timing of parcel media, it can take a while to load each panel.) And no, I don't have anything for sale in Tussock, and so far the sim hasn't had much call for a Police Department.

Quie read the transcript of the meeting today and you will see that Gavin categorically takes ownership for the monday meetings, that ZA invited Blonin to group and that the meetings are chaired by ZA and are for ZA that others can come to it but in fact it is a ZA Blondin meeting, it is there in black and white

There are excessively convoluted instructions on adult verification in the Oatmeal verification test region now. Which I guess beats the original sign that told you to click it for information on adult verification, but you couldn't touch it unless you were adult verified. .