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Thank you Lord for researching that.I felt that some revisionist history was going on - but Gavin actually convinces himself everything he says is the truth. That makes it difficult to find the truth in the Zindra Alliance.

And I had sat there quietly since July feeling something was terribly wrong and getting worse each day with ZA. I saw the personal promotion notices in the group. I saw the charter change, I saw people (including myself) being silenced.

And Jago seemed like a nice guy so I kept sending him my notecards about it. I knew I was just talking to a brick wall when every week he would not include my agenda items I sent him in his presentation to Blondin on Mondays. And when I was forced to post my concerns in the forums - the Zindra Alliance was a fail for me.

Jago has some great personal gain business ideas, He should take his alliance group, change the charter and continue to pursue his personal goals with it.

Never seen this before, and the first meeting was held on July 13. So the arrangements with Blondin was made before this, as I have stated before.

And I might add, it has never been communicated to us by Blondin either that the meetings would have an official OH status.

edit: Checking with Jago and none of us have received notification that the meeting has changed status to an OH meeting for Zindra.

We have operated the meeting as an open meeting facilitated by ZA.

Gavin, Jack posted then but Blondin knew his job description 3 days prior to that. Come on. already. You do not have a Linden in your pocket. Are you still holding onto the Monday cafe meeting as a Zindra Alliance meeting that you allow others to attend?

Greetings from old mainland (as long no auctions are up)

From Blondin I found only this: OH 07-08-2009



Seems, Jack said this, Blondin said that. The old left hand/right hand problem.

Anyway, I hope all will be good for you people over there.

Have they relabelled all the mature Zindra water sims adult yet?

Blondin used the phrase 'Zindra Alliance' as a description of the landowners - not really referring to a group named ZA. Maybe the language confused the ZA people into thinking he was talking about their group specifically.

Fact is Blondin is a LL employee and Jack is his Boss, and I would imagine Jack sees these meetings as a Zindra OH as he suggested. I would not be so bold to assume that these meetings are just for the ZA these are public OH for Zindra land owners and not to stroke personal egos. As I have stated I have and others have asked for clarification from the Lindens as I think you are sorely misguided in this matter as no one group would be allowed to represent other individual land owners as you feel that you do.

In fact if LL states that these meetings are purely for the Zindra Alliance only and its agendas and that they are NOT public office hours for the Zindra land owners, as Jack promised then I will donate 5000L$ to the RFL charity.

I would also urge people to contact Jack as well as Blondin and get some clarification on the fact that you seem to think that these OH each monday with Blondin are for the benefit of yourself and the ZA only and everyone is to do as you require them to. Wake up Gavin LL is not there for your benefit only and as a full sim owner on Zindra I will attend these meetings to ask anything I require of Blondin without having to ask your permission to do so.

You are destroying the credibility of the ZA as a group IMHO and it will degrade until it has no more members of that I am sure if you continue along this track, but that is just my personal thoughts and observations though.

I don't know. I am not involved in these new things. Maybe he made just a metaphore and meant all the land owners in general, Alliance or not.

However: nothing than trouble with LL. Ever when the Lindens trying to play Second Life (so to speak) I think ever it would be better they would just clean the mess up (technical), i.e. wrong landing points, glow, dum trees, laggy streets and their ugly mole buildings and then let the people alone, doing their biz, like before on any other continent. I felt never a need to have too much Lindens around while playing the "game".

I understand why Blondin said it that way because the meetings were initiated with the understanding they would be for Zindra landowners and residents, and not drift into a replica of his Wednesday meetings. He said if they did, he would not come.

I rest my case.

I can add to that the following snippet:

[2009/07/07 13:32] Blondin Linden: (Saved Wed Jul 08 00:50:26 2009) Hey Jago. ... In the meantime, I'd love to start setting up meetings with the ZIndra Alliance, kind of what I do with Bay City and Nautilus. I was hoping that, as the owner of group, you could help set that up

So our understanding has been all along that this is an interest group meeting in line with the two other alliance meetings, and they have never had status as official OH meetings.

So it was Blondin that initiated the meeting in Zindra. And he sought out the ONLY group with the words Zindra and Alliance in it to get folks to the meeting. That does not make it the group Zindra Alliance's meeting Gavin. Your just a community resource to Blondin - not the 'chair' of his meeting. He could choose a different group each week to present the agenda. Or we could be adults and take turns. Or present our agendas collectively.

Apparently so. I sampled a few and everywhere I tried is coming up Adult in my viewer, and reports as "ADULT" to llRequestSimulatorData(... DATA_SIM_RATING).

You can twist your words till you get blue in the face Lias, but the meetings were never closed, you were free to speak your words at any time in those meetings - they were never moderated.

ZA has been the facilitator of an open meeting.

Jago asked each week for us to send him the agenda items that concerned us - and you know it. I do not promote or engage in chaos at meetings. I sat each week waiting for my agenda items to be presented - and they were just thrown away.
No, Blondin is the facilitator of an open meeting. The landowners of Zindra allowed you to speak on their behalf.

*Why don't you respond to Lord Sullivan's suggestion that you step down as officer of Zindra Alliance? Just want to engage in spats with me only?

Yes, if you know the -channel hack, but the vast majority of people don't know how to do that.

Either way, if they have to wait until some high percentage of user-hours are from adult-content-capable viewers before shutting off adult search results from pre-capable viewers, the business impact is mitigated.

(Now, I wonder how many trafficbots report as adult-content-capable versions. Hmmm... )

I came back in here to do yet another hunt reminder and ended up catching up on what I've missed.

Here's the edited highlights as I see it..

Someone makes unsubstantiated allegations which she refuses to acknowledge as being incorrect nor provide evidence to back up her claims.

The rest of our so-called community stands back from offering even the basics of support to those people, some of whom have pretty well been involved since the very beginning of this fiasco and have demonstrated time and time again that they are working for the community rather than their own interests.

That someone also then complains that the group doesn't set the agenda nor consult before each meeting on Monday. Cue to rush to support this, so Gavin goes ahead and sets up a couple of group meetings so the group issues can be discussed. Then of course we hear the cries that it's not inclusive because despite it being a group meeting a few non group members turn up to have their say. wtf?? Cue drama because some people wanted to stick to the plan despite the attempted hijacking by others.

Some people also started calling for the establishment of some kind of government. OK, put that on the agenda for the group too.. then suddenly the howls start because everyone has an agenda either for or against it and more drama ensues.

Then we come to the meeting last night. The transcript made it pretty clear there were lots of people running their own agendas that have nothing to do with the betterment of Zindra and everything to do with spite. The opinion of the participants as to what they want from the community leaves me with the impression that in general the members of ZA are not concerned with doing anything positive to address the issues facing us but are focussing on attacking each other and the rest of the second life community.

Then we come to the owner of the group abandoning responsibility for managing the group to someone else. It adds to the drama of course because then people can attack the person who is high profile and because the group owner has basically hung him out to dry rather than offering support or even - god forbid - stating just what the intentions of the group are and what is and isn't tolerated. So the howls can go up about a coup by Gavin and the personal attacks on him and his business start. Certainly I was only made an officer of that group to make it easy for me to send out notices for the hunt and at no time prior to this spate of ridiculousness were the groups officers ever tasked with anything to do with the logistics of running the group.

We also have people who have popped in here, read a couple of posts and then added to the fire by making comments that display a lack of understanding of just what has been going on down the last week nor the context surrounding it. Add to that those people who appear to have the memory of a goldfish and/or deliberately forget what was posted a page earlier and you have a recipe for a maelstrom of poisonous unpleasantness.

I've always seen the ZA as nothing more than a mechanism to keep people on zindra in contact with each other. It's the best means we have to disseminate information. Whether that's actually a hijack of the original intention which on the surface appears to be more of a promotional tool for the groups founder I just don't know. But I was glad that it was there to enable us to reach some of those who are now here on zindra and of course those who just have an interest.

I certainly have never attended the Monday meeting as a representative of the ZA and I doubt anyone else has ever thought like that either.

The overwhelming impression I have here is people attempting to divide the community and settling scores.

I know we've been under a lot of stress down the 5 months with this (yes, some of us have actually been in this particular trench for almost half a year now) but sometimes people have to stop making allowances for those who make unreasoned statements in an attempt to divide the community.

Which has actually been the problem here. Those accused of all those terrible things down the last week have actually bent over backwards to try to address the unreasonable comments and their reward was to have their intentions and words misconstrued and used as a stick to beat them with, whilst the "community" stands by.

From what I see the community no longer wants those of us who have been putting in the effort to minimise the impact of LLs new policy and create a something good out of this mess as their agenda runs to something more base.

It's fine by me. Down the last week I've actually had a bit of time to focus on my business and it reminded me what I've been missing. I certainly get no return from community participation, in fact so far it's been the opposite as the community has said it's thanks to me in the form of ARs. That's life I suppose.

Now I'll say what I came into say:

Pretty well all of you have received the hunt package. Yet less than 20% of you have even bothered to spend the 5 minutes registering on the website. I've probably spent 40 - 60 hours on this so far and there's still a fair amount of work on my side before it starts on Saturday.

I would appreciate it if those of you who are not intending to participate would tell me so I can make a decision whether to continue. The hunt itself brings no real benefit to me and has cost me places in other hunts running at the same time which would bring me much better exposure for less effort. Yet I am doing this in some misguided attempt to raise Zindra profile.

So, either get your business registered or tell me you are dropping out so that I can pull the pin on this, get my life back and focus on the things that are important to my business rather than wasting time on a community that actually doesn't want this activity.

Your cute re-hash parody was amusing. Thanks for that.

Maybe if you stayed neutral more people would want to participate in your hunt.

and that ended when I left the group as I do NOT want my business interests on Zindra represented by someone who is unable to see the wood for the trees and seems to have a hidden agenda.

For me whilst Gavin is the Zindra Alliance self appointed spokesman/chairman it is dead in the water which is a shame as it had great potential as a community group as the first Zindra group in the early days. However we will still support all Zindra community groups and give ALL of them space on the wiki if they so wish. Including the ZA that will not change as we at slapt.me recognise the true meaning of community and will do all we can as we have done from the start for everybody regardless of my personal views on anything.

In all seriousness I think you need to go to the doctor and have your meds reassessed.

Yup, your going to get tons of folks flocking to your hunt now because your such a nice person.

You want to have a pity party but you start off by throwing out nonsense - you got what you were looking for.

The Viewer program is very flexible, and one of the features the programmers put in it bypasses the version check. So there are two "limits" to how old a version you can use. The first is the normal one where the software does a check at startup, and tells you to upgrade if your version is too old. "Too old" being defined by the Linden staff as one or two versions back from the current one. The reasons to make people run a recent version include new features, fixing bugs, and security problems.

The second limit is based on how the Viewer and the Linden servers communicate. Both the viewer and the server software are constantly updated, and the details of how they talk to each other change. If you use a version that is too old, it simply cannot speak the right language to the server, and therefore will not work.

What matters in the adult content and Zindra subject, is those of us who already have moved to adult land are partly inaccessible to the SL population, while those who have not moved and are doing their thing on mature land can be reached by everyone. That is not a fair situation. We want a level playing field, and part of that is requiring versions of the software before 1.23 be "too old' for the great majority of users.

The fact that a few people in the know can bypass the version check is not important, fairness to those of us who already suffered a move is.

This is not about the cult of personality. This is about giving businesses here an opportunity to reach a broader customer base and raise their profile. It also is about raising the profile of Zindra and giving people a reason to flip to adult and remember to tick the adult checkbox when they search.

This is about cheap marketing for businesses. Certainly none of them are doing it because they like me or want to be my friend. It's all about exposure.

And I think that is wonderful and I support you ideas about that. Too bad you wasted the keystrokes before you posted that information to make some snide remarks about the goings-on this weekend. Your message was lost in your mire.