Becoming a Slave

You had your shot. Why do you think they are bored?

Now Brenda, just because I haven't gotten to your name on the list yet............

If I was too harsh, then I'm sorry ... I really am. But please try to understand it from my perspective: this person is earnestly serious in her expressed sentiment that a person I love so deeply it hurts should be forcibly taken away from me, and vice-versa.

How would that make you feel?

Think you might possibly get a little irate?

That's without getting into the insult to my intelligence that suggesting I'm not thinking for myself amounts to ... that's huge to me, but it's still a minor concern next to the first one.



Bingo.

Okay, also, just one more little thing to chew on, with respect to M/s as a "human rights" violation:

In order to possess something, one must necessarily be able to give it away. If one cannot give a thing away, one does not own it.

Simple logic.

If I can't voluntarily surrender my freedom, then I never had my freedom to begin with. Someone else had it. Ironically, in this case, it would belong to the people who think they are trying to keep me "free," as they force their version of "freedom" on an unwilling me.

Thankfully, that's not going to really happen, but it's disturbing enough just as a thought.

In answer Brett, two things,
First; i was Born in Martinique, and am ALSO of African extraction (Black as a Ravens Wing at Midnight).

Second;
From my previous post,

I'm sure had you taken time to read back you wouldn't have Posted as you did. I shall consider it an Oversight on your part, and we will speak no more of it.

Now, On to alex,
I'll spare you the quote of the above post by her.
Well said my Darling, and what i was waiting for. I knew she would regain her self Possession given a Little time. It takes More strength and Wisdom to admit Error, and apologize than to stick Doggedly to a Poorly thought out assertion.
The problem over the past few pages Has been that people did Not see The original Post that i had alex amend, and therefore were under the Misapprehension that it had either been Fully expunged, or it's Content materially altered. Neither accurately describes the situation. The post prior to mine was prefaced by One sentence peppered with profanity that had no point other than to Insult. The remaining text, though it did address several points did so in a Rude, and Profane fashion. They were Unworthy of her, and an Imposition on the patience of Others, so i had her reword her Post in a More acceptable fashion.

Anyone who has Known me for any length of time Knows i have a definate dislike for the use of profanity in Civilized discourse and debate. Simply Put, i don't approve of swearing. My Girls are Not permitted to swear, and i think for Very Good reason. In these Forums for example, What is the Fate of people who Troll? Answer, they get Banned.
I believe my alex has things to say that are Worth Hearing. Her contributions From her specific point of View are very relevant to the conversations here. By my Moderating her when she begins to lose control of her emotions, I guarantee she will Continue to be able to Post here. I'm sure you can see this Is in her Best Interests. It can also be considered to be in Your best Interests as well, as you Needn't deal with another person swearing her head off while saying Nothing of Value.

Angel.

PS;
I Do hope Diera will reconsider, and rejoin the conversation. Despite her discomfort, her contributions were Invaluable Not only to her own Information, but in Challenging Me and others she assists in educating Others as well. Our Lifestyle IS intimidating to some people. I am all for any discussion that shows people we are Not the Fiends Popular misconception makes us out to be.

A.

I'm glad you posted this, Angel. Explaining to ppl why we do what we do is difficult, yet through threads like this we might be able to erase some of the fables and misconceptions that are out there.

Mandy C

If I had someone in my employ, and they engaged in inappropriate language in discussions, I would also moderate their language, as a matter of business policy.

Most businesses would do the same, so I don't any reason to fuss about someone deferring to another about how they post on a forum. So you can see it as someone who works for and represents another, like an employee, and you'd expect some restrictions in those cases. I treat every adult person as that, though- a fully functional adult, able to make and be responsible for their own actions. I have friends who are in online teams which have a group policy of "no smack on forums", which is basically no different to a lifestyle dom/me telling their sub not to swear on Resident Answers.

Their relationship with another person and how they define that, isn't something that concerns me.

As another point, "slavery" is a term used by lifestylers. I have a book on how to train a consensual slave, and all kinds of other reference material.

PS;
I Do hope Diera will reconsider, and rejoin the conversation. Despite her discomfort, her contributions were Invaluable Not only to her own Information, but in Challenging Me and others she assists in educating Others as well. Our Lifestyle IS intimidating to some people. I am all for any discussion that shows people we are Not the Fiends Popular misconception makes us out to be.

A.[/QUOTE]


No, I am not comfortable with this thread and it seems the sort that will go on and on and on....and not really get anywhere useful for me.

... and well, one does have other priorities - and it is Wimbledon at the moment.

I don't know the people involved here in real life and I don't know their families and what they may be thinking and feeling. The anonymity we have on the internet is both a strength and a weakness, but because we have anonymity we can't escape from the "What ifs?" - and the more "What ifs?", I ask here, the less comfortable I feel.

What if in real life a slave master was a 55 year old white man and the slave an 18 year old black girl? How would that look?

What if the OP was an investigative journalist in real life?

I don't know and I can't know - so I don't want to go in this direction as without real knowledge my evaluation has little value for me - so I'm not going in this direction. I think SL should be meant for better things than this.

/me, goes back to Wimbledon

PS - If I get to work and login to find an EC Directive about Consensual Slavery as a Lifestyle in my inbox, I will let you know.

Sorry but in BDSM we don't care about skin colors, even genders.
It's about respect, trust and love.

Someone breaks those rules, they loose the respect from the whole community and get red-flagged as a wannabe or just use BDSM in a way to get laid easily.
Hell, just check the ads on alt.com. I can spot a fake sub or a fake Dom/me quickly from their profile and pictures.
It has to be said there is a kind of "who's who" in this SL scene. Doms and Dommes talk to each other, we talk with subs... we all share our experiences.
Per example: a sub screwing-over a well known Master or Mistress...good luck to her finding a good one again... Same if a wannabe Master or Mistress treats their subs the wrong way and like crap.
Simple as that. You can find the info all over the Internet about the subject.

I'm living the scene because I want to learn about other subjects in rl or online and I'm not that motivated anymore to be a Master (being a good one takes a lot of effort and metal readiness.) In a matter of respect and common sense, I don't want another sub if I'm not that motivated. It's not fair to her.

I'm also living the scene as a well respected Master and that what matters to me the most. I earned the respect from the others. (Subs, Masters, Mistresses, Switches...)

Another tip: often a good Dom/me has had experiences as a sub. They know how it is on the other side.

Now there's an example of consentual slavery -- Great Britian's submission to EC Directives. As oxymoronic as consentual slavery may be, there was a time when people could choose how they desired to live and Father Knows Best was just a TV show.

They aim to please, of course...

my advice after 20 plus years of this in RL and watching the online world develop is... take everything you read as "advice from the lifestyle" with a heavy pinch of salt. The more often thay say "must" or insist that this or that is "proper", the less you should bother listening to them: it is a form of head-game, jsut to write out the FAQ and get to decide what's in and what's not, and as a hobby it seems to attract those who are shall we say, less satisfied by getting off than is usually the case.

If I read you correctly, you're looking for recreational, role-play slave status, without the bureaucracy and nit-picking made so charming and delightful by the Old Schooll, the Goreans, and so on. Nothing wrong with your version, and no particular reason to start following other people's paths: however, consider that you might actually be looking for a non-D/S version of "giving up control". There's quite a wave of recent innovation in the kinkier parts of SL in the field of SL hypnosis: lots of "relaxation scripts" and "dom'sub programmability" add-ons. It could just be an expensive way to get stuck with a lod of rubbish, but it's a lot less dour and pompous than the kind of FAQ-driven, rule-obsessed cack you will run into otherwise... Take a look at the HypnoDolls vendors in places like the Eden Revue island, for instance.

(and after this thread has bored on about slavery versus RP versus RL versus SL, you will SURELY be feeeling sleeeeeepeeeee....)

Oh; so the race-play people aren't "proper" is that right? Then there's the forced-fem people. They're not "proper" either by your definition.

You are right about one thing: entering into that kind of environment means you are picked aporat and discussed to death in hidden MSN groups, forums, chat rooms... it's a kind of never-ending regress of gossip and power-trading tops and bottoms, where honesty evaporates in the heavy humid heat of libidinous expediency, pretty damn quick.

Life was much nicer in the old days when people weren't followed around by snivelling creeps with clipboards and checklists...

My god this thread is STILL GOING ...

Wow

/me ignored incipient lectures about BDSM and flame throwing ensuing

Gummi,

We talk between us to protect the subs and Dom/mes from psychos entering the scene because there are some on SL and elsewhere on the Internet.
I've seen them, heard them and experienced them. It's a matter of safety.
Those individuals think they can do whatever they want on SL behind their screens at home and they should be avoided at all costs.
I just wanted to tell the beginners reading this thread to be careful, all my aplogies if I didn't express myself correctly.

I understood what you meant, Gummi just seemed to have linked two statements of yours that were in regard to different subjects.

You are quite correct, and this occurs in RL as well, the Clubs, and private groups thoroughly Vet people, Usually accepting new members only on referral, and sponsorship, and if there Is a Psycho, or someone who's behaviour seems questionable (For example, trying to lure away new submissives for Private sessions Outside of group control) then those people are usually Ostracized, and you would be surprises how quickly Word of a bad, or questionable person Spreads among Clubs, groups, and parties.
There IS such a thing as Proper Conduct among our Lifestylers, The ones I seriously question are those who try to persuade newbies, and Outsiders that this is Not the case.

Angel.

This argument rumbles on and on in RL BDSM circles too, with quite often someone proclaiming themselves a slave and then having a list of demands blah blah blah ...

Labels, frankly, suck. "When you label me you negate me". Why negate yourself, unless it is simply to flag up your desires (from whatever side of the tracks) to someone who is looking for the same thing.

Unless your desire is to be 'negated' ... bingo! It's not REALLY being negated at all ... to those who have understanding of power exchange, it is to be elevated and treasured not treated like rubbish even if it might seem that way to the outside (I am talking from the POV of someone who has their understanding in place here, not actually abuse ... tho that happens RL and SL and in SL you can mute ignore eject ...)

Therefore to bring in from leftfield any argumentation about slavery as applied to one specific period of slavery is erroneous and unhelpful AND in devil's advocate of it I invite you to go to the VW factory in Wolfsburg and see the memorial to the labour which made it possible ...

Also - get an understanding that language is a living and evolving thing and if you HAVE to draw the conclusion that the word slave only applies to African origin slavery then that has more to do with your own thought pattern than consensual BDSM roleplay on SL or RL.

/me is very resolutely not a slave and never will be - so no dumb in-world IMs please ...

From my experience RL (and in the UK only)

55 year old white man = EXTREMELY likely.

18 year old black girl = possible but statistically very unlikely

More to the point, there are realtively few black women in the UK BDSM scene and regardless of age the 55 year old white man who was lucky enough to find one world be roundly envied.

However, if the likelihood curve was a 55 year old white man and a 55 year old white man, your chances are much higher in SL.

Cynical yes - but meant seriously.

55 year old men can be quite sexy. 55 year old women too of course I'm not picky.

It's like the old saying goes in SL. "Your girlfriend is a man"

Hence why anyone presenting themselves out of the blue as a slave then asking for sex gets told to scrub the virtual deck!

"Oh! I'm not that kind of slave!"

I just laugh and laugh and laugh!

Yes we know that darling xxxxxx

I tell them that my last slave died of slaving.

(I should point out to any general reader who might wonder, I don't have slaves either ... and never will ... no stupid in world IMs please ... )

*puts on the protective goggles*

This thread has outlived it's usefulness. It contains, trolling & flaming.

*locks*

(complaint source: AR)