Becoming a Slave

I once had a friend who wore a collar, but owing to me being of a nature where I am not a natural "Master" and my friend having a strong will of character things didnt work out lol. I think training is necessary for both master/mistress/slave.

Pretty much that's the beginning and end of it.

I've seen Internet lawyers come and go on forums, bilbo99 -- anywhere forums pop up and any "concerns" arise, invariably the Internet lawyers surface. They're all experts, they all tell you just how it's going to work, and nothing EVER comes of ANYTHING they say ... all without exception.

I'm ALMOST insulted by the implication that I'm an unthinking drone, but when I reflect on the fact that the person suggesting it is, to put it bluntly, a colossal fool, I realize that her opinion of me has little or no relevance whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure she didn't mean it like that, Alex. You and I both know that not many ppl understand the lifestyle and in that context, you'll always have comments like that. And that's perfectly ok, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But the lifestyle we're referring to is based upon trust and loyalty. Period.

Mandy C

Mmm not nice Alex. Really not nice. When all said and done, I think the person in question has your welfare at heart. They maybe not fully conversant with the full ramifications of your relationship but there's good in there really.

This point is irrelevant, same thing can be say about me, Angel, Bilbo, and you among all other posters. How do you know that I am the same individual that logs into SL, the same individual that opened the account, etc.?

You have NO way to authenticate the "real" me whatsoever, so instead of trying to do so, just put the words behind the name.

And, while I understand you might be concerned with the decisions that Alex and Angel made; the way you are stating your concern is not (IMHO) the most polite one.

Cheers!

Correct, bilbo. She wasn't trying to be insulting, but as I already explained, those not familiar with this lifestyle will never get it. Although I'm willing to teach. *grins and waves collar*

Mandy C

Gerroff!!!

I kinda dropped out of this discussion early on, but picked up recently. I'm not well versed in the dynamics of these relationships, but understand the run from occasional roleplay to fulltime lifestyle. i've backread the thread and have learned a bit more about it, and am at the the same time puzzled by and fascinated by it all. (even my fascination puzzles me ) When I first read the comments debated recently i must admit to thinking the poster was another foolish ,moralizing busybody. upon reading the discussion further, even though I still don't subscribe to her particular ideas, I think she is well intentioned.

True, that's what I said as well and that's why I wanted to know her thoughts behind her posts.

Got questions, Brenda? IM me inworld, I'm more then happy to answer.

Mandy C

I'll bring the Dr Pepper.

ROFL!

Mandy C

Let's say you're on a debate team, defending a topic you feel very strongly pro about. You've worked hard preparing with your teacher and you know all the rules and standards of behavior for the debate, yet somewhere in there your passion overtakes you and you begin cursing at the other team for refuting your points. Not only does this make you appear less intelligent than you actually are, and therefore more easily discounted, but it reflects poorly on the teacher who was supposed to have prepared you. Isn't it likely that she would call for a brief time out to get you back on track? Not to dictate or censor your opinions, but simply to assist you in presenting them properly?

As far as I can tell, that's all that happened with the post in question. And, since the relationship obviously goes far beyond teacher/student, and is certainly more personal than a debate topic, I'm sure that made it that much more important to Angelique that Alex do well.

The fact that apparently in Germany one cannot legally consent to being killed and eaten has no bearing whatsoever on the question whether one can legally consent to obey someone telling her to edit a post on this forum. You're comparing apples and giraffes.

I'm opting out of this thread now becaue I honestly feel uncomfortable about the direction it is going in. Thank you all very much for giving me an opportunity to voice my opinions and my sincere best wishes to you all.

Yep to Suzy.

In my earlier post, you might note the part where I said it was a different kettle of fish if the thing a person agreed to perform (as told by the other person) **was a crime**. Just because someone told you to rob a bank does not mean you are free of the legal consequences, even if the person who told you to do it OWNED the bank.

Last I heard, telling someone not to post a flame and agreeing to follow that order was not a crime ANYWHERE. Seriously, the only legal play this issue about the consensual slavery between Alex and her mistress is in this thread, where we are prone to discussing the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin.

I am daring someone to take this to a human rights organization and honestly report the response in this thread. Somehow, I doubt it would happen because deep down, everyone knows it's not a crime and they wouldn't want to be laughed off the phone and forum.

Absolutely true. It's just potentially not a bright move on the part of the person following the order.

Potentially not s bright move to not post a flaming comment? I am not sure I understand this sentence.

Is it the conversation that is making you uncomfortable, or is it the fact that 2 consenting adults appear to be engaging in a lifestyle that you don't approve of? I don't mean to be judgemental, just trying to understand what is motivating your fears. They seem a bit irrational to me.Best wishes to you as well, and thanks for at least putting a bit of different spin on the topic. It is interesting. And, has the OP ever returned since the beginning?

I'd like to add one thing though, Deira posted with the best intentions I'm sure and is entitled to her opinion just like all of us. Knowing the lifestyle and without repeating myself, what happens between a Mistress and her slave/sub is based upon trust and loyalty (dang, I did repeat myself!) As for the OP, choosing to become a slave has to come from within, either you are or you're not. SL offers you the chance to visit BDSM training schools or other forms of Domme/sub relations, visit, look around and talk to slaves. Usually there are always a few around allowed to answer your questions, should one not respond to you then walk away. In that case she (or he) is not allowed to speak to strangers.


Mandy C

Potentially not a bright move for posting material with which you may nor may not agree. Posting makes YOU responsible for the words, even if you think you've given up such responsibility to another person.

Alex, if you weren't given these words to post, you should have let your mistress approve them first.

Pretty low class.

I think people are misunderstanding what went on.

I beleive Alex was corrected for her earlier language - not her opinion.

The post you quoted had all nice PG words in it.

As I understand it, the post in question was rude. Why would obeying a mistress telling you not to be rude be any less 'bright' than for instance admitting you're out of line when a friend points that out? She wasn't ordered to write something she didn't agree with, she was simply told not to abandon good manners when voicing her opinion.

OK, I see your point. You are mistaken in assuming that Alex did not post her opinion on the subject at hand. The requested edition from Angel was in terms of the wording of such opinion.

That's why I was speaking more generally about the sensibility of posting on another's command.