Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?

Dude, your paranoia-on-behalf-of-another-person is beginning to reach disturbing levels.

No, it was also a protest against Lias and Ryan's behavior, and the fact that infohubs are meant for everyone. If you agree with the way her and Ryan have made that sim look, and the way they threat the regulars there, and spam landmarks and note cards, then I suppose that speaks about you as well and we don't have much to talk about. And as for the numbers it's a good idea to see how many are bots especially since today was a rolling restart day that sends people to hubs more than normal. She really is hurting the cause for info hubs with real issues.

hmmmm? …'NOTHING' worth mentioning?

Oooo I do love it when you leave yourself so open Does the Many-Worlds Interpretation mean anything to you? But first, who mentioned a general Uncertainty Principle before you? It wasn't me. And who said that there are Uncertainty Principles other than heisengerg's. It wasn't me. And who mentioned anything other than quantum mechanics? It wasn't me. You are very good at inventing things that you make out that people have said, aren't you? Now go and read about the Many-Worlds Interpretation, where the quantum state itself is the fundamental physical quantity, not the position or velocity.

Don't make me laugh. First, nobody insisted that you do anything (yawn). Second, go back to the first post and find the call to action that you claimed was there (yawn). A question is a request for an opinion, and not a call to action. Don't try and worm your way round that. We all know the difference between the two. Third, stop waffling - it's becoming boring (yawn).

Correction (yawn): the OP made it clear who *she* thinks is to blame. Yet she still asked the question - requested opinions.

Correction (yawn): if my memory is correct, you claimed to have evidence of your own - your visits to the hub - but there was no evidence for the other side, except the word of Lias. How are those exactly the same?

Oh yes. Did anyone suggest that it isn't? I didn't. Do you have a point?

LMAO. You haven't hurt me in any way - you've bored me, but that's not the same. You seem to want to think you've hurt me, so feel free to fool yourself. You did make one sarcastic comment that was tantamount to an accusation of Lias. Later you claimed it wasn't meant as an accusation of Lias, but that was later - after you were called out for it - and according to you, that information should be stated up front - but you didn't state it up front, or even imply it

If Lias stated that, then it was an "assertion", and not an "accusation" But what about it? Let's see it. Where is the quote. I'm certainly not going looking for it. You claim that it was stated, so show it.

Dude, your squirming in the face of reasoned thought is way beyond a disturbing level LOL!

So now it was a protest against Lias and Ryan, as well as a chat with friends. Your story builds very nicely, Sarah. I can't wait for the climax. And you're right - with a trouble-making attitude like that, we don't have anything to talk about.

Fill the place up with Bots and no one will chat back!

Treating this seriously for a moment...

I'm not writing anything on behalf of another person. If you think that, you've completely misunderstood my posts. I don't know Lias or Ryan, I've never met either of them, and I've never even exchanged messages with either of them. My whole purpose in posting in the thread is because of the wrongness of all the unfounded accusations here - the bandwagon that was going on throughout the thread. It was wrong, and I pointed it out. That's all.

I think this goes to show why SL has such a high drop out rate. If people can find no place better to be than Bear info hub then SL has failed on a large scale.

I also fail to see any thing in the TOS or anywhere else that says just because you own land entitles you to an equal share of the resources. Sure that would be nice but the way it is setup up you get what you get and what you get is on a AS IS basis (5.4 of the TOS). There is no contracts guaranteeing you to equal resources that I can find. Until they do make such a modification to the TOS or any other land agreements I don't see LL doing anything to help out Lias with this because if they helped her then they would have to help everyone in this situation. That is not possible with the current grid structure.

I have been in SL since 2005 and never remember seeing anyone so hard headed about virtual anything. Maybe time for perspective on RL. Is this rampage really in anyone's best interest? I can't see how it is.

Only people with an agenda (usually profit) seem to take SL so seriously. Kinda scary really....

Not unless it's in conjunction with the Many-Minds extension. Tsk, tsk. If you ever expect to get ahead of me on this one, you're going to have to do better than Wikipedia.



Not by name; all you said was



The notion that "if you measure the quantity, you can't know the location" applies to no current school of thought, either within or outside of quantum mechanics. I'll admit I made an error here, and ASSUMED that you were trying to describe Heisenberg (the only thing which even remotely resembled your babbling), so I corrected you. Perhaps that was the mistake - arguing with you over something you made up.



Well, what you said was



This is completely wrong, of course (as I was happy to point out). "Velocity and location" are in no way "merely the usual examples of information that are written in books". Velocity and location are quite literally the only things "Heisenberg and all" addresses, period. Then you made some silliness up about



...which indicates that you have no idea what you're talking about. Well, perhaps that's not fair - perhaps you know exactly what you're talking about, but you're the only one because this was all your invention. So let's nail you down: WHICH "Uncertainty Principle" (your capitalization, mind) is applied to "much more than those properties"? It certainly isn't Heisenberg's. So yes, in that sense, you MUST be talking about uncertainty principles OTHER than Heisenberg's. Phil Deakins' Uncertainty Principle, maybe?

Pwned. Again.



More to the point is why you brought up quantum mechanics in the first place. Judging Lias's claim on its merits (none so far) has nothing to do with collapsing the waveform of a particle, except in your own fantastic mind.



No, I actually suck at inventing things that I make out that people have said. So instead of trying to do so, I just resort to posting about things that people really did say.



The student of language and nuance well knows that questions aren't always requests for information - they are often vehicles for expression of one's own opinion. Well, she was asking a question, but it certainly wasn't JUST a request for an opinion. Let's revisit:



This, my friend, is what is known as a "complex question". In a courtroom, the other side's counsel might object, "Assumes facts not in evidence". The most common example of this sort of question is the infamous "have you stopped beating your wife?"

This question assumes as true that "the Lindens want to turn infohubs...into unsupervised hang-out that take precedents [sic] over the tier paying residents in a mainland sim". It does not ask whether anybody thinks this is true or not - it just capriciously states that it IS true, and rhetorically asks "why". Yes, this does count as an accusation. It is an accusation that the Lindens favor infohub-hanger-outers over landowners.



Boy, is it a good thing you added that qualifier at the beginning. No, I haven't claimed that my visits constituted evidence "of my own". What I have stated is that my visits failed to produce any evidence that Lias's claim as true. That's not exactly the same thing. Not even close, in fact - which is (oddly enough) why I'm not the least bit surprised you're confused about it. I don't need any "evidence of my own", because I haven't made a claim that needs proving.



I don't want to HURT anybody. But as boring as you say I am, it doesn't seem to stop you from spending lots and lots of your free time attempting to rebut my statements in detail.



OK, let's join Phil's Land of Make-Believe for just a moment, and pretend I accused Lias of something. Why is it any of your business? Lias is a grown-up; as much of this horrible "negativity" that all us terrible, terrible people have been throwing at her, it doesn't seem to be affecting her all that much, at least not in a way she can't handle. Perhaps you should make an alt named John Wayne. It's funny, though, that the only remark she's made so far about our little staring match here has been that she wants ME to let up on YOU.



At this point, I'm convinced that not even God knows just what the heck you're talking about here...



When "assertions" attempt to attribute negative characteristics to a person (or persons), the word "accusation" is a correct synonym.

It is what it is no matter what you want to call it. We can spend a night nit-picking something as simple as what to call the event/protest or we can talk about the real situation at hand. I guess it if it's turning into a debate over a single one hour event and what to call it then you must see some truth in the dirty things that Lias and Ryan do, or would see if you spent a little time at the hub rather than basing all of your conclusions on the thread alone. That gives me the impression your simply one of those people who likes to argue. But hey, whatever you get your kicks from. I really wish you had come to the (insert the name you'd like to call it here event) because you would have seen first hand the way the few people hanging out at the hub behave, as compared to the neighbors. It also could have given you experience with the hub to base your opinion on instead of just taking her word. The things they do to that land and the way they talk to the people at that hub is just plain wrong. What your defending is giant spam ads, note card spamming, landmark spamming, the use of camp pads to grief, someone equipping newbies with weapons to encourage griefing, people picking fights with others out of no where, and similar behavior. If you want to ignore anything else I have said in my other posts or the real issue at hand and just concentrate on one hour I was there, or argue what you think of me all night than thats fine. If you want to think badly of me thats fine too. I won't lose much sleep because it's quit obvious you base your opinions on large by assumptions with little to no fact involved.

Does anyone think there will be resolution to this problem through this thread?

Dude, that's SOOOOOOOOOO not the point!

QFT.

I forgot. Carry on.

I think I'll go ahead and let ol phil get the last word and move on.

Don't move too far. It is nice having you round here again. <B

Join us in the thread that never dies (please ignore and let this one die) for bonus fun. We are having a good time over there.

Hmmm. All good things must come to an end, I guess. Look at this - 5 pages arguing over silly semantics.

OK Phil, say whatever you want, and you won't have to worry about me saying anything back. You win!

Asking people who are loitering in the infohub does not help getting any resources released from them . So if being an asshole neighbor is going to make James loiter less then an asshole neighbor I am. The sim could only hold 35 avatars before I rallied and had the numbers increased to 43. And still there are issues with the excessive loitering.

Sarah I am not sure you saw the pictures I posted here (see below) From July 2007 to now. The same group doing the same thing and escalating their behavior into coming out of the hub to harass Ryan's store. But I think none of that is of any concern to you. You were obviously bored when you came across this thread and saw a way to have some fun. You also saw that maybe you could make a little profit from people that were unhappy with the sim they own land in. That didnt work out for you. But cotinue to have fun. This does nto seem to have a ending in the forseeable future. Just a summer of resource issues and arguments. Perhaps your antics will help attract someone that can develop a viable solution to the resource abuses caused because of out-of-control infohubs (like the one depicted below).

Since I have been here before the infohub you will need to take your own advice, I already have my plan of action. The sim resources were expanded once to acommodate the loiterers. The Lindens are at a loss as to what to do to accommodate the loiterers and the parcel owners at the same time. I am amazed no one ever realized that as the population increased with free accounts the free land would eventually use more resources than the tiered land. This si why we never hear about a Linden public PLANNING department. They are all out to lunch.

Well, the residents of Bear infohub don't have a plan because they don't need one, you're the only one participating in your delusional drama war, anyway seeing there's more of them and they're younger you'll die one of old age eventually and hence loose way more than just some 1 's & 0's, you'll loose a lifetime to hate and crankyness and just downright evil.

Since you're allowing me to have the last word, I'll just say this. My only purpose in this thread was to criticise all the unfounded, imagination-based, accusations that were leveled at Lias by people who could not have known, and who just made them up for the sake of being on the bandwagon of people who also made things up. I'm talking about accusation like "liar" and "scammer", and not about the notecards and such. I criticised you personally because you tried to whip up an 'event' which was intended to be a poke in the eye against a couple of people. That was abominable and you should be ashamed of yourself.

The rest of my posts were a dialog between Dakota and me, and they are now coming to an end.

hehe. I agree. I was about to bring it to an end myself. In fact I said that to a friend last night before I went to bed. I'll write what I intended to write anyway....

I concede the Uncertainty Principle discussion - you win - and I'll come clean about it. I thoroughly enjoy reading physics and cosmology books (I'm just coming to the end of a Leonard Susskind book, and the next up is a Richard Dawkins book. I have books by Stephen Hawking, Peter Greene, George Smoot, Lee Smolin, and others), but, although I remember things from them, I don't remember the details of most of what's in them. I just enjoy reading that stuff. So I was just bluffing my through that part of the debate. I enjoyed it, but I concede.

Btw, I did mean "Many Worlds". It's the idea that (very roughly), when any decision is made, worlds of both outcomes continue. E.g. when a coin is tossed, it comes down heads or tails, and seperate futures continue for both outcomes - many worlds. That's for all outcomes of all decisions - all eventualities. It's all mathematical and, imo, it's utter rubbish, but, for many physicists, it's part of the leading edge of string theory just now.

The rest of it was just you and me sparring. Your first post in this dialogue certainly read like an unjustified accusation aimed at Lias, veiled in sarcasm, even though it was a reply to me. That was the basis of the rest of the dialogue, and it wasn't worth all the posts, BUT I enjoyed the sparring, which I am sure you did too. Ty for that

Lets face the facts... Regardless of the Bear group being right or wrong, I can not play devils advocate for a really fucking stupid business decision on Lias's part. I could while she was advocating merely for her Club School, but to have sold her Island and moved her club(s) into Bear knowing full well about the crowding problem, then complaining I will not support! This was an argument that existed 8 months ago, not something that poped up after she moved her other interests into the sim. I think Lias should give up, and not just leave Bear but the club business as well. Sorry Lias between this dispute and the way you have treated employees in the past and neglectfully run you clubs presently, your reputation is not flattering, I do not think you would get a significant amount of business now or in the near future if the Bear group left Bear forever tomorrow. Why?

You have caused to much drama over the bear issue.

You have burned and scorned too many talented Hosts and DJs and have too little talent left.

You fail to pay and or reinverse your current Host and DJs. Yes I have a friend that works/worked there recently.

I think rather than trying to advocate for others backing in your lost cause and digging your self a much deeper, if not already inescapable whole, you should re-evaluate how you do business, or leave the business all together. The most important lessons I have learned from my time in your employ is what NOT! to do, and I am being very blunt.

I am not sure why people respond to a thread they have not read. It has already been established that I was there before there was a infoub in Bear. It is also established that the excessive loitering did not start to happen until the Lindens posted Bear Hub on a list of places for people to goto to test voice.

I added some clubs to Bear - not all of them - because the resources in the sim were being wasted on loitering anyway. None of my neighbors have camping or events on their parcels. Since the infohub no longer creates traffic for the tier payers in the sim - there is no longer any need to assure that there are ample avatar spots available so people can teleport into the sim via the infohub. These stores will need to develop effective marketing plans and give up on the notion that LL wants a simbiotic relationship between their infohub and the people that pay to support the server. Ryan and I have worked out that he uses all of my vendor spots on all of the club parcels in Bear sim. With my marketing and event schedule he gets people on parcels that have his products for sale and he makes sales. The huge plot of land he owns at the infohub is still adversley effected by the massive loitering in the infohub. We will continue to work on new builds, attractions, events and marleting to make the spot viable again . Of course that would also have to include a way to lower the numbers of loiterers at the infohub. And that seems to e a long term project.

Ten months ago

Mortus everyone is made aware of the rules I have for staff. If you want to further discuss them with me you can drop by again and finish talking it out. And most know I am taking care of a dying relative now and a management team is meeting to take care of the venues. I still teach the classes (which I am about to attempt now).

I was never concerned about the venues' traffick. My event traffic is at a 4000 a day usualy and thats fine for me. I, of course, do not plan large events when I have classes scheduled. I will tell the host on duty to stop spamming for people when the sim reached 30 people. The events on Monday nights do crowd the sim some. Beyone that I have, in the past, made sure I did not negatively impact the other land owners in the sim.

A forum thread and reports to the proper authorities are not too much drama. The drama comes from the responses from people like you. For some reason some, like yourself, wrap up personal issues in the and ignore the evidence presented. I can see yoru need to get your rant on - but it is way off topic.