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My Afternoon as a Slave in Training

Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 13:27
From: Lindal Kidd
The mutually supportive, giving relationship described by Trevor is the ideal for any two person relationship, BDSM or not. I am very sorry that you have not found anyone who is willing to put your needs ahead of his/her own, and love enough to do the same for her/him.

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You were married for 22 years. Did you truly never experience this?


I loved my husband for all the 22 years of our marriage until the cancer took him. I will always love him. There were things in life that mattered a great deal more to him than I did, things that he chose to the detriment of our sons and myself. None of us are perfect. Don't we all have a pocket of selfishness that is difficult for us to give up?
Yosef Okelly
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08-27-2008 13:39
From: Rose Dove
I wonder how often a master really does care about the slave's best interests though? This concept runs counter to my experiences in life.

Anyone care to weigh in on this one?
If you don't take of your toys, they break. Then you have nothing to play with at all.
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Yosef Okelly
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08-27-2008 13:45
From: Rose Dove
I loved my husband for all the 22 years of our marriage until the cancer took him. I will always love him. There were things in life that mattered a great deal more to him than I did, things that he chose to the detriment of our sons and myself. None of us are perfect. Don't we all have a pocket of selfishness that is difficult for us to give up?

What, you mean like posting on a web forum with perfect strangers or meeting new frineds and cultivating additional relationships in a virtual world?

>.>
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 13:45
From: Yosef Okelly
If you don't take of your toys, they break. Then you have nothing to play with at all.


Or you can just toss them out and get new toys. Some do that.
Yosef Okelly
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08-27-2008 13:47
From: Rose Dove
Or you can just toss them out and get new toys. Some do that.

Do you know how long it takes to break in a new baseball mit? And if it's not done right, it is just a mess and never fits right in your hand.

Better to take care of your property than try and replace it. Besides, it's both easier and cheaper in the long run.
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Love Hastings
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08-27-2008 13:50
From: Yosef Okelly
Do you know how long it takes to break in a new baseball mit? And if it's not done right, it is just a mess and never fits right in your hand.

Better to take care of your property than try and replace it. Besides, it's both easier and cheaper in the long run.


Plus, all the toys out there tend to talk to each other, and then they don't want you to take them home. OK, this analogy is getting pretty sorry. :)
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 13:53
From: Yosef Okelly
What, you mean like posting on a web forum with perfect strangers or meeting new frineds and cultivating additional relationships in a virtual world?

>.>
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/me grins

No. Other things.
Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 13:56
From: Yosef Okelly
Do you know how long it takes to break in a new baseball mit? And if it's not done right, it is just a mess and never fits right in your hand.

Better to take care of your property than try and replace it. Besides, it's both easier and cheaper in the long run.


/me agrees with Yosef, but thinks not everyone does
Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 13:59
From: Love Hastings
Plus, all the toys out there tend to talk to each other, and then they don't want you to take them home. OK, this analogy is getting pretty sorry. :)


/me chuckles at Love

(laughing in the face of love, eh? =D )
Deira Llanfair
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08-27-2008 14:13
From: Yosef Okelly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw

[edit] and after posting this as a joke, I realize the song is really very poignant to the thread. I'l leave it up to the individuale to wonder over who are the maples and who are the oaks.[/edit]



Naaa - this one's better!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TytGOeiW0aE
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Yosef Okelly
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08-27-2008 14:18
From: Rose Dove
/me agrees with Yosef, but thinks not everyone does

Not not everyone does.
And once again this is an example of life in general, not just BDSM.
How many loves have withereed and died in a stagnant existence because of simple neglect? It's sad, really.
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 14:21
From: Deira Llanfair


I LOLed!! This is great!! =D
Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 14:24
From: Yosef Okelly
Not not everyone does.
And once again this is an example of life in general, not just BDSM.
How many loves have withereed and died in a stagnant existence because of simple neglect? It's sad, really.


You are correct. People discard other people in all lifestyles. That's why it seems counterintuitive to me that a person would willingly trust their dom to look out for their best interests. It seems to encourages victimization.
Deira Llanfair
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08-27-2008 14:26
From: Rose Dove
I LOLed!! This is great!! =D


Yep - that guy's a genius.

There are too many people who seemingly, at times, are unable to laugh at themselves.
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Love Hastings
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08-27-2008 14:27
From: Rose Dove
You are correct. People discard other people in all lifestyles. That's why it seems counterintuitive to me that a person would willingly trust their dom to look out for their best interests. It seems to encourages victimization.


Why put yourself out there at all? Why try to find any love, of any type, since it's all going to end badly?
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 14:43
From: Love Hastings
Why put yourself out there at all? Why try to find any love, of any type, since it's all going to end badly?


Because it better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all....

Because there's no such thing as the next best thing to love....

The world seems to shine like you've had too much wine, that's amore...

It seems to me that the only love that often has a bad ending is romantic love. love for your family: mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter or your friends is almost inevitably a very positive thing.

So that just leaves romantic love as the one emotion that leaves all of us, at one time or another, wondering if it's really worth it.

But...being in love feels incredible. When you fall in love, the feeling is so wondrous that it doesn't matter if it is just a fleeting firework. It still lights up your night, and you remember it always. Yes, it's worth it.

But if you expect too much of the person you love, that will almost guarantee that your love will be short-lived. From my experience, expecting another to be the guardian of your best interests is asking too much.
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There was a man I met on SL. He lived on the opposite side of the world. We hung out together in SL for three months, exchanged e-mails and phone calls, fell in love. He flew out to meet me - a 16-hour flight. The first day he was here, we swore our love would last forever. It was a continuation of the dream.

The next day he woke up, told me I wasn't the woman for him and disappeared.

It hurt.

But was it worth it? Absolutely! For those three months, I was alive as never before. I will remember him always and what I thought we had.
Love Hastings
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08-27-2008 14:46
Perhaps with greater risk comes greater reward? Perhaps it's not an absolute? Trust comes with time, and you give more of yourself when it's been earned. Perhaps some people live happily ever after, while others don't.

Perhaps your question seems to indicate that you've already decided it's not worth the risk.
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 14:59
From: Love Hastings
Perhaps with greater risk comes greater reward? Perhaps it's not an absolute? Trust comes with time, and you give more of yourself when it's been earned. Perhaps some people live happily ever after, while others don't.

Perhaps your question seems to indicate that you've already decided it's not worth the risk.


To me, one loves another n spite of the fact that, as a person, we are all imperfect and have our pockets of selfishness. To not love means you miss out on the best in life. So, yes it makes sense to love.

On the other hand, it makes no sense to me to expect what experience has told me is unreasonable. My experience has taught me that it is not reasonable to expect anyone else to guard your best intentions.

Example? Ooohhhhh...OK. Here's RL example. Buying a motorcycle with money that was needed to fix a child's teeth. As far as I know, everyone does things like that. I try to guard against putting anything above my sons' welfare. Do I always succeed? Probably not. Here I am, typing on a forum when I should probably be spending time with my sons or doing something else to fulfill my motherly obligations....
Cherry Czervik
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08-27-2008 15:32
From: Rose Dove
You are correct. People discard other people in all lifestyles. That's why it seems counterintuitive to me that a person would willingly trust their dom to look out for their best interests. It seems to encourages victimization.


Willingly trusting is not the same as being gullable.
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08-27-2008 16:32
From: Rose Dove
Here's RL example. Buying a motorcycle with money that was needed to fix a child's teeth. As far as I know, everyone does things like that.

Seriously? No one I know would do that. Small scale selfishness, sure, we're all guilty of that from time to time, but putting your own frivolous desires before a child's needs like that?

Ugh.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Kera Paine
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Give me a break...
08-27-2008 16:52
I’m sorry I have to call you out Rose. You seriously think you’ve not insulted anyone other than my Master? Really? Let us take a look at some of the things you’ve said here and in your other thread shall we?
From: Rose Dove
Wow! Thank you, Czari, for sharing your knowledge on the subject. I may IM you in SL. Or maybe check out the wiki. I'm interested in the oddness that is humanity, and the BDSM, Gor, and D/S subcultures seem to be some of the strangest.


“I'm interested in the oddness that is humanity, and the BDSM, Gor, and D/S subcultures seem to be some of the strangest.”

That’s not offensive? Give me a break. You either think W/we are stupid or you are clueless about people, absolutely clueless.

From: Rose Dove
Humiliation is not necessarily a part of a subs existence? This is news to me. I had thought humiliation was a major part of being a sub. I am learning new things again. Thank you. :-)

How does this fit with the nude pole dancing thing? Or with being told that slaves will be hanging around the teleport spot skyclad to greet visitors? Isn't nude pole dancing in front of all and sundry who wander into the sim intended to be humiliating? Is it just me, or does this also seem to be advertising that the Slave Market is about kinky sex?


Am I the only one that sensed the sarcasm in your response here and else where?


From: Rose Dove
Then perhaps the pole-dancing was optional and I hadn't been there long enough to know this? Wouldn't I have been zapped for refusing "Master Bull" if I had refused to pole-dance? Or perhaps it was assumed that I wanted to pole-dance in the absence of a Slave Information card?

/me shrugs


And to answer your question, no if you had been honest with Master about being uncomfortable He would have taken that into consideration. But see part of being an adult is communicating and being honest about how you are feeling instead of expecting someone to read your mind. As far as being shocked by a collar goes, you didn’t have to put it on. You made that choice Master cannot make you wear a collar. At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions, Rose? You had a bad experience because you went into it with preconceived notions and instead of seeing people and the situation for what they/ it are you twisted it to fit your view.
Lindal Kidd
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08-27-2008 17:16
From: Rose Dove
...But if you expect too much of the person you love, that will almost guarantee that your love will be short-lived. From my experience, expecting another to be the guardian of your best interests is asking too much.....


Again, I am sorry for your unfortunate experiences. Because this expectation is NOT asking too much (as long as you are willing to reciprocate, of course). In fact, one famous definition of being in love is "...that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own".
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Rose Dove
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08-27-2008 17:50
From: Ann Launay
Seriously? No one I know would do that. Small scale selfishness, sure, we're all guilty of that from time to time, but putting your own frivolous desires before a child's needs like that?

Ugh.

I would not do that, but one I knew did.
Cherry Czervik
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08-28-2008 01:31
From: Lindal Kidd
Again, I am sorry for your unfortunate experiences. Because this expectation is NOT asking too much (as long as you are willing to reciprocate, of course). In fact, one famous definition of being in love is "...that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own".


Interesting Lindal - I know you always say you don't "get" BDSM - and yet, at core, you've summed up the absolute heart of what it is in my case and maybe many many others. No matter with position I take (note position not role or RP, whatever I do they are all just myself), that one person's happiness and welfare is paramount to me more than even my own (and that's said in a positive rather than a self-abnigating way).

When that other person feels the same way too is when there really can be a power exchange. Rose, take note please.
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Oryx Tempel
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08-28-2008 01:41
From: Cherry Czervik
Interesting Lindal - I know you always say you don't "get" BDSM - and yet, at core, you've summed up the absolute heart of what it is in my case and maybe many many others. No matter with position I take (note position not role or RP, whatever I do they are all just myself), that one person's happiness and welfare is paramount to me more than even my own (and that's said in a positive rather than a self-abnigating way).

When that other person feels the same way too is when there really can be a power exchange. Rose, take note please.

Right... Lindal is saying that this is the basic definition of love. Honor, respect, and a desire to see the partner's happiness above all others. True BDSM, while not my gig, seems to exemplify all of the above. More power to all who can truly reach love, any which way possible.
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