My Afternoon as a Slave in Training
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Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 10:45
From: Sakuro Rayna If the conversation is that important to her, let her pick it up in game where people can actually help her since apparently nothing anybody is saying in this thread is doing the trick. I just dislike when people put on acts. If she were genuine it would be a different story, but it is so very obvious that she isn’t. The Forum might be a good place to discuss this in world. Not, specifically, the Forum Cartel Hangout, but "The Forum" There might be BDSM in there. I think it was "The Forum", but last time I checked, I think it is now "The BDSM Forum."
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Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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08-27-2008 10:46
From: Sakuro Rayna And how many times has she been coddled and answered, yet keeps asking the same shite? You know how some people are really good with things like math or computers, and some people struggle with the concepts their entire lives? Sometimes it takes a while to wrap your head around an idea which is totally foreign to you and I don't see any nefarious motives on her part, just confusion. And, hey, at least she's willing to ask and listen...she could just have written everyone off as perverts and not given it another thought.
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~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.
Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,449
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08-27-2008 10:46
From: Sakuro Rayna Yes, I’m hostile, and I dun care! You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I know cow patties when I see them. Shhh.... shhh ... *hands you a cookie* If the D/S community seems content to keep explaining itself to her, and she's content to listen, why rain on their mutual parade? Let it go ... . |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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08-27-2008 10:48
So... I'm lost... It's bad for residents to give answers in the resident answers forum? (o.o)
So far, this is a very interesting conversation... May I need to re-read in a different state of mind to find the bad stuff. (o.o)
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 2,692
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08-27-2008 10:50
From: Sakuro Rayna She’s left, come back, posted on alts – Actually, Rose is the alt. And I see 10 pages. But that's just nit picking and besides, I'm only here to find the next ex-Mrs Okelly. It's OK, Rose. Don't let the meanees scare ya. Rest here in my arms; I'll keep you safe from the wild beasts and barbarians that roam. I will always be near and when the world outside refuses to let me in, you will still be safe within the cage that holds all others at bay. No one can take you from me while you wear this leash. And tonight, if you are good, we can go buy a new dress then find a romantic place to dance and let the other girls turn green with envy over your elegance, beauty and grace.  |
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 10:52
Sakuro Rayna, she might be having us on. Then again, she might not. I don't really care either. Even if she's not genuine, somebody else might be getting something from the conversation.
My question to you is: why are you still reading this thread? If you object so strongly, why not ignore it?
The one thing that really ticks me off are the so-called forum police. But please, continue to read, and maybe even complain some more. Have at it.
And Colette, I appreciate your point, but you realize the irony in making it? You posted your criticism for your own benefit, just like those posts you referred to.
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 10:53
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Corsets would be..... Different. (o.o) Caledon of Corsets? I don't think it quite has the same ring to it. |
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Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 10:56
Steampunk bondage furniture. Enough said!
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 2,692
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08-27-2008 10:57
oh wow. The contraptions you could make .... coooolllll
Steam hissing rythmically as it drives the pistons back and forth ...
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spinster Voom
Registered User
Join date: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,069
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08-27-2008 10:57
From: trevor5565 Zwanger <snip> (big long story about an olive tree) Trees??!!!11!! My goodness, and I thought I was kinky! (only joking, I thought that story was really sweet) Sakuro - I have been assuming that Rose got freaked out a bit and needed to talk through things. If that is not the case, I don't really care - I am sure a lot of the responses will be helpful to others as well. Perhaps this forum is not the appropriate place for such a discussion - I don't know, that's a whole other can of worms! If it bothers you so much, just report the thread. |
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 2,692
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08-27-2008 11:00
From: spinster Voom Trees??!!!11!! [edit] and after posting this as a joke, I realize the song is really very poignant to the thread. I'l leave it up to the individuale to wonder over who are the maples and who are the oaks.[/edit] |
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Sakuro Rayna
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Join date: 27 Aug 2008
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08-27-2008 11:02
From: Nika Talaj Shhh.... shhh ... *hands you a cookie*
If the D/S community seems content to keep explaining itself to her, and she's content to listen, why rain on their mutual parade? Let it go ...
. I will take your advice. Being a strong, proud, Irish woman, it just pisses me off when I see this kind of fake attention-grabbing crap, but ‘ey, people eat it up, so I’ll pass the taters! Unlike her, I’ll not comment again since I can actually keep my word. Cheers! |
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 11:03
doorknob and all that
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spinster Voom
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08-27-2008 11:14
From: Yosef Okelly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw[edit] and after posting this as a joke, I realize the song is really very poignant to the thread. I'l leave it up to the individuale to wonder over who are the maples and who are the oaks.[/edit] Yes, I was going to make a flippant comment about the oak at 4:10 being really hot, but having read your edit I googled the lyrics ... From: someone There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.
The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.
There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream Oppression!
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light.
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw. |
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Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
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08-27-2008 11:24
From: Yosef Okelly oh wow. The contraptions you could make .... coooolllll
Steam hissing rythmically as it drives the pistons back and forth ... A Boston Legal episode has that contraption. (literally, steam powered sex item)
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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08-27-2008 11:46
From: Love Hastings And there's my weak area. The Discipline in BDSM... I know not what that really means. Within SL/online? Not much. It's definitely a flesh on flesh thing ...
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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08-27-2008 11:48
From: Sakuro Rayna And how many times has she been coddled and answered, yet keeps asking the same shite?
It MORE than leaves her motives as questionable!
If the conversation is that important to her, let her pick it up in game where people can actually help her since apparently nothing anybody is saying in this thread is doing the trick. I just dislike when people put on acts. If she were genuine it would be a different story, but it is so very obvious that she isn’t.
Yes, I’m hostile, and I dun care! You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I know cow patties when I see them. Meh. It's got a few of us talking about something we enjoy, and in my case made me a new friend of someone I have respected and admired on this Forum since FOREVER ... That's the main thing, to my mind.
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To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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08-27-2008 11:51
From: Desmond Shang !!!
Oh man. Bad kitty! But "Caledon of Gor" just won't fly!
I'll plant a little catnip in the Guvnah's Mansion garden for what coulda been...
*sighs and goes back to his repressed Victorian existence* Hmmm repressed Victorians ... we're back to that again 
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Rose Dove
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Join date: 16 Mar 2008
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08-27-2008 12:50
From: trevor5565 Zwanger Rose you wanted to know how it feels to someone in a bdsm relationship. .....
What a lovely story, Trevor! Thank you for sharing this. If you can find this in a relationship, more power to you. My experiences with relationships is that no one EVER puts the needs of other people ahead of what they want, except in the parent-child relationship, and then only in certain cases. Now I'm curious, again. How does the reality stack up to the ideal? And is this truly the universal ideal of BDSM? This is a polar opposite of the common concept of BDSM as kinky sex. |
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Rose Dove
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Join date: 16 Mar 2008
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08-27-2008 12:53
From: Yosef Okelly Oh no no no. Not at all, tho there are some who crave it. Being told to strip and dance on the pole was more like being given a chance to show off. Exhibitionism, not humiliation.
/me giggles I wasn't aware that most women embrace the chance to dance in the nude before a group of strange men. I'm afraid I'm a hopeless prude who does not. From: Yosef Okelly
Oh, BTW: I can't really tell you what BDSM is, just my experiences with my little slice of the whole. I know a bit, Victoria knows her area, Love knows hers and even Bull can tell you what he believes but it's all just bits of the whole. I may be an arogant jerk but I know enough to say I know very little.
I truly appreciate your insights into a philosophy of which I knew absolutely nothing a week ago. |
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Rose Dove
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Do Master Consider the Slave's Best Interests?
08-27-2008 12:56
From: spinster Voom The slave will do what the master demands because it pleases the master, AND because it pleases the slave to please the master. And the master *should* care very much about the slave's best interests. For me, at least, that is the absolute crux of being a sub: getting real pleasure from obeying and serving a loved and trusted dominant. If this is something that would give you no pleasure, then almost by definition you are not a sub (having said that, BDSM is such a vast catch-all term that somebody is bound to disagree with that lol). I can understand deriving pleasure from pleasing someone you care about. That makes perfect sense to me. I wonder how often a master really does care about the slave's best interests though? This concept runs counter to my experiences in life. Anyone care to weigh in on this one? |
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Rose Dove
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Are there Dom(mes) Who Don't Victimize Subs?
08-27-2008 13:07
From: Kitty Barnett You really need to step back a bit and look beyond the act at the underlying dynamic.
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The ultimate "power" in a D/s relationship doesn't reside with the Dominant, it resides entirely with the sub and it's that fundamental difference that sets it apart from abuse. Thank you for your comments, Kitty I am the same way about not being comfortable in a crowd. I understand your analogy perfectly. Another concern I would have is the sub being victimized by the dom(me). During the times of my life when I have been unable to direct my own life, I have been victimized by others who held their own wishes as more important than harm to me: for instance, when I was not yet of age and had to rely on parents, or when health issues such as pregnancy arose, to name a few circumstances that immediately come to mind. Do you subs actually find that you can trust the dom(me) to not victimize you when given the opportunity to do so? |
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Rose Dove
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For instance , there is this attitude....
08-27-2008 13:11
From: Sakuro Rayna O-M-G! Why is this thread still open? If Rose has not absorbed the answers and explanations in these unnecessary 26 pages, then she needs to research it online or speak to someone in game about it rather than keep asking the same questions over and over again. It’s ridiculous! I don’t believe she was ever abused, nor do I believe her questions and continual ignorance are genuine. She stirred up a controversy, got ripped apart, and suddenly seeking sympathy, she reveals that she was abused and it’s the reason she doesn’t understand?
Horse s***!
She’s left, come back, posted on alts – I mean, isn’t it obvious that she’s trying to manipulate everyone with this doe-eyed ‘oh, I’m so lost and coming out of my painful past and I just don’t understand why certain people like this when I think it’s that’ crap? WTF? It is SIMPLE! There are those who enjoy BDSM and you DON’T! Give it up already! If you want to know more, locate someone knowledgeable in game who is willing to discuss it with you, or research online, but quit it already with the act!
If you want to be popular or get your post count up, do so by being constructive and not by acting like some simpering 12-year-old who can’t comprehend the simple, straight-forward answers given here repeatedly for the enlightenment you seem so desperate to obtain but keep purposely tripping over! If you just can’t wrap your head around the whole concept of BDSM, it’s time to be a true lady and bow out gracefully as you claimed to be doing more than a few pages ago.
This thread should have been locked at page 2! For instance, there are people such as this who seem to take pleasure in abuse... |
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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08-27-2008 13:17
From: Rose Dove What a lovely story, Trevor! Thank you for sharing this. If you can find this in a relationship, more power to you. My experiences with relationships is that no one EVER puts the needs of other people ahead of what they want, except in the parent-child relationship, and then only in certain cases. Now I'm curious, again. How does the reality stack up to the ideal? And is this truly the universal ideal of BDSM? This is a polar opposite of the common concept of BDSM as kinky sex. The mutually supportive, giving relationship described by Trevor is the ideal for any two person relationship, BDSM or not. I am very sorry that you have not found anyone who is willing to put your needs ahead of his/her own, and love enough to do the same for her/him. I don't understand the D/s folks. They express "caring" in a much different way than I do. But yes, this is the sort of emotional relationship that they tell me they seek, and some tell me they have found it. And that, I can understand and sympathize with, because my own marriage provides that kind of mutual love and support and caring. You were married for 22 years. Did you truly never experience this?
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Kadin Ansar
Differently Similar
Join date: 31 Jul 2008
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08-27-2008 13:22
Yes, the interests of the submissive/slave are at the forefront of a dominant's mind, provided he or she is worth their salt. A consentual power exchange is a two way street. I personally take pleasure and pride in caring over another individual; in knowing that they have trusted me with their mind, body and soul. Guiding them, nurturing them, celebrating their successes with them and helping them up after their mishaps. Discovering their limitations and hurdles in both their vanilla and BDSM lives and pushing gently (oh, so very gently) on those limitations to expand their horizons. As a side note, none of this happens instantly or overnight. It definitely takes time.
For me, if I own someone and they are just doing what I have said without question for their own safety and well being, then they aren't someone I want to possess. For example, if I own the boy named george, and I tell him to go run naked down Main St. USA, and he does it, then yes, there's a problem. With both of us. One of things I have said numerous times in the past, and will say just as many times in the future is that if I wanted a doormat, I would go and buy one at my local Wal-Mart. I enjoy intelligence, wit and humour in my submissives and slaves.
I will say, I recently purchased a slave. Her contract with me starts today. My reason for buying her is because she has somewhere around zero experience with BDSM, and I am happy to give her a solid foundation to build from.
My IM's and email are open for any questions or opinions.
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