My Afternoon as a Slave in Training

We're not children.

We don't keep bringing up children.

Children and adult sexuality have no place together.

also, the folk in the FLDS church and the Christian Scientists do no consider themselves crazy.

As far as one with a terminal illness, I suspect that the world appears very different when you know that your remaining time here is of very limited duration.

I totally agree with you on this. Children and adult sexuality have no place together.

The topic wasn't sexuality. The topic was love and acting in another's best interests.

To me, a parents' responsibility to act in the best interests of their child is inviolable.

Penguin.

And that is that.

There you go. Penguin Vs a beachball. How's that?

Penguin vs a peach? That would do also. Just two very different things.

My penguin has put it's foot down. Well it's flipper. And then probably fallen over on a patch of ice and slid a fair way in a comical manner. And then waddled a bit. I wish it was 5pm and I could go home

/me tries to hurry the clock for Cherry

/me hands Chrry a slice of yummy apple pie. Mmmmmmmmmm

Point taken. We are not in world and this is not a gorean sim.
Lexxi, you are part of the "we" when I said we are talking. I am sorry if my words offened you. I spoke out of place. I should have been more clear to whom I was refering and why.

Cherry, you also are part of we. I obviously did not make clear the reproach was ment for Kera. And no, I wold not talk to you that way but then I have never seen you drop a venimous post out of jealousy. Since I believed her to ba a gorian slave I spoke in a manner she would understand. I apologize if I have offended you and i will try to be more respectful (and specific) in the future.

Love, I believed I was talking to a gorean slave girl who should have know better than to say such things to any Free person. But you are right. This is not gor. This is a free world open forum and she is free to speak her mind. I overstepped myself and it was uncalled for. I am truly sorry for an offense it has caused; and obviously it has caused plenty. I may not have respect for the person -- because the only thing I know of her is a single flaming post--- but I do respect the position. I will endever to show that more with my actions and words than I have of late. Please, accept my apology. I never intended to offend you.

Kera, I had no right to talk to you that way and I am sorry I did. This is a free forum. You may speak you mind the same as any other. It is not my place to chastise you like that. However, i do want to remind you that whether it is in SL or RL, once you tell others you have a Master, the things you say and do will reflect on them. Negativity spawns negativity and I should have known better than to treat you that way. As you can see, I too am victim of my own negative words.

/me just smiles cos I knew you would do the right thing.

My take, and i'm way behind (page 21 out of 30+) is that personal experience (SL or RL) will color any activity you encounter. I been learning to be a Dom (is that even possible...lol) and the reason I am learning is because there are people who will give their "soul" to make you happy and I don't want them to have a bad experience. I've recently learned of the term Drop but was always aware of the subs reactions and if things didn't go far enough or went to far I'd adjust and always took time after to cuddle and talk and make sure they were okay. Some people don't know their limits till they reach them then its too late. They need some time and attention to get through it.

I've went a little off topic but wanted to explain things a bit. Punishment tends for me to be about showing that I'm displeased with how they acted. Punishment usually is dependent on how bad their actions where. Sometimes its a simply scolding or a joke at their expense, sometimes its making them do some activity as punishment. Shocks and other collar features usually are considered light/quick punishments....BUT... if you really identify with your avatar then it can seem traumatic when its something the Master saw as trivial. Again past experience plays a big part in this. I know one woman that even having her AV naked was traumatic and her Mistress spent over an hour talking and cuddling with her till she was okay again. Everyone has limits. Yes I've been dropped in SL a few times. Sucks!!! But its part of SL life, you learn to be careful or develop a few callouses.

Coming from an abusive family or relationship will definitely color every action a Master/Dom makes into something darker. This not to say that there are not some absolutely evil Masters I've run across that will play on your every weakness in RL and SL and make your life hell but generally they are far and few. Bull isn't one of them. he's a nice guy even if he is pimping, jk Bull. No matter what you want to call him, I'm going to give up trying to get you to stop calling him a pimp lol, him and the woman that work there are fine. I hope that you never run into the bad masters because you'll learn soon enough how off you where about him and have to deal with stalkering and griefing to boot.

Now about selling people. My RL boss is a pimp by your definition. I am a freelance artist that works for a temp agency. He sells me off for a week or two to do some website or book or some other art project and takes 30-40% of my pay in return. Then at end of the time I go back to be sold to next art project. So them getting 50% sounds like a decent profit. Also the auction means that get the best fee that is out there. So I see nothing wrong with it. Slaves on auction is a fun way to present it. Could be a sci fi sim selling captured earthlings to aliens or some Vampire sim selling blood dolls to Sires, hell it could be a Furry pet shop (my idea, I said it first so back off...lol). Bull took a concept, slave and went with a western theme so he calls them cattle and brands them, its in fun, Well I take it that way. Its a theme that's all. In the end its a business and people looking to make money doing what they like to do. be it kink, sex, role playing, building, scripting or looking for a relationship with a good Master.

Yes Domme does not equal abuser. Noobs to BDSM tend to go that way out of ignorance or bad movies or just in it for a bit of fun at others expense. Those that live it understand the bigger picture and Define it. After all the whole point of being a Domme, to Me, is being in control of My life and defining it in a way that allows Me to grow and enjoy life and possibly find subs that want the same thing in their lives who will join Me.

Chai

FWIW Chai, if you are aware of drop, what can cause it and how to avoid it then you're already streets ahead of many RL "dominants" of both genders and various persuasions. If you know not to flog someone's kidneys, and not to cane people till they bleed in a way that doesn't heal for three months plus, you're really cooking on gas. And if you know how it feels to be on the receiving end - and you want to give something wonderful as your own gift (there's much said about the gift of submission, which I think is both true and rubbish at the same time - employing the doublethink we all need to get where it needs to go, lol - but little about the return gifts are couched in such terms) - then you're probably on the way to being exceptional.

Yeah you learn to be in either role, usually by bashing your head on a brick wall and doing things you later regret. That's life

The experiences I had during my afternoon in slave training would have been trivial to many, perhaps most people, but somehow they linked in to my RL past experiences in such a way as to have a strong affect on me.

This is a lesson to me to approach new SL experiences with more caution. Yes, it is all virtual, and you can TP out at any time, but there are real people behind the avs and the affects of the SL experience can be very real.

Kera and I serve the same Master in world, and believe me He is not gorean. We are encouraged to use our minds, and to speak them if the situation warrants. He does not own mindless robots, nor do i think He would enjoy them. We are also told quite clearly that we are not to take orders from other Dominants as we belong to Him alone. In fact, i feel i can say with complete confidence that our Master is quite proud of the stand that all of His have taken on this forum and would be pleased at how His girls have represented Him. Go Kera...You Rock sis.

FFS

You were NOT going through sub drop Rose.

You didn't submit, you weren't in space, you were disgusted by what you saw.

DROP comes as a result of the sudden cessation of endophins whether they are caused by physical means or as a result of WILLING ENGAGEMENT IN MENTAL TERMS. It's the withdrawal and craving, it's caused by a sudden end to something GOOD.

I am going home before I get truly truly angry.

Yosef, I didn't realize she was Gorean. I don't think that changes anything, as you have yourself said. You didn't offend me personally Yosef, and don't need to apologize to me. You do show a depth and quality of character with this post, however, and I'm glad to know you.

Think about you happy place. Which I suspect hurts a fair bit, but feels so good at the same time.

OK. Then I wasn't having subdrop.

/me shrugs

I had the impression that subdrop was a lingering response to the BDSM experience. I was wrong. It is evidently a lingering response to a specific type of BDSM experience.

And I wouldn't use the term "disgusted" to describe my response. I was shocked by some of it because it was outside of anything in my exerience up to that point, and I was puzzled because there was much I didn't understand. The wanting to understand was the impetus behind this thread.

Also, while I was there I did precisely as I was told as much as possible, even when it was something I would not have chosen to do on my own, such as stripping in fron of strangers and the nude pole dancing thing. There was a feeling of having been used.
It was this doing things I would not have chosen to do that generated the anger towards the auctioneer, causing me to lash out at him, that I later regretted.

Isn't that the whole idea of submitting? Sort of?

Obedience is the act of doing what you are told. Submission is the state of mind when you obey from the heart, because it is something you need to do or want to do to please the One to whom you are submitting. Submission doesn't generate anger, submission is a pro-active decision, where it seems what you experienced was participating in something that you felt you had no choice. Submission is a choice. I choose to submit to my Master because i trust that He has my best interests in mind. If i ever get to the point where i do not feel that, then it would not be submission, but something else entirely. If i obey Him strictly because of the perceived power He has rather than a desire to please Him, i will not get the same joy out of the experience. So no, obedience without the heart is not the 'whole idea of submitting'.

I can't really say I had no choice. One can always TP out, after all. True, I can't say I was obeying from the heart. Does one ever obey a complete stranger "from the heart"? It sounds to me like submission must be a state that you reach after developing trust in the person and some sort of emotional connection such as affection.

I had thought submission was doing as you were told even if it isn't what you would choose to do. Guess I'm wrong again.

No.

No, not really. But then again, maybe a little.

During a sceene, you can get whipped up in an emotional frenzy that goes along with the overwhelming physical sensations. The submissive is open totally to the feelings. Physically, mentally and emotionally. Afterwards, it takes time and some times patience to talk, connect, firstaid if needed, and bring the submissive back to a place where we all operate on a daily basis. We all have our walls or guards we keep up and those need to be reformed for the submissive as well. Negelecting to do any of these can be very detrimental.

When I mentioned you have subdrop, it was more in the sense that you had an overwhelming emotional and mental experience and no one to talk to about it. Just pop, here you are and life goes on. Try to imagine how you felt but that at the time you were also completly open, trusting -- gullible if you will -- experiencing everything with a innocent nievity and on the edge of an orgasim. Then pull the plug and the harsh light of day comes through leaving you without a friend on some random and crowded dance floor.

That's subdrop.

Isn't the Slave Auction sim considered to be a BDSM-themed sim? If so, then isn't the slave training theoretically geared towards teaching a person how to be a sub?

To play devil's advocate here - some people get what they need out of it without it being "from the heart" because they are getting what THEY want or need - there doesn't need to be that emotional bond in casual play. But then I am not, and never have been, a slave. If I'm on my knees then it's a lionness still, but choosing to be there. There's a dynamic tension with my partner, who is also a switch albeit mainly dominant. Still, for me, it's that tiny spark of being able to turn the tables JUST often enough that we both enjoy it. The rest is there ... but i could never be just one way or another. This is not to be confused with being confused, or uncommitted, or any of the other criticisms levied at switches. I know exactly what I want, I know what he wants and needs, and the power exchange hinges on that really.

After all, there's literally no point topping someone if you realise that what you want and need is not what they want to give you - and that they will never be able to return it. Believe me I know - and was torn between hanging in there to see how it panned out ... and being painfully aware that there was nothing concrete I wanted to do with the person concerned because in my heart of hearts it wasn't right for either of us.

I suspect I came off worst out of that episode anyway, even tho my main emotion was anger, and I'm not proud of how I handled it - but then that person to this day has no idea what actually happened with me and it's now water under the bridge. I'm sure she wanted to give ... she just didn't know how.

Sigh.

Slave auction.

SLAVE auction.

There's a whole internet out there with a lot of information Rose. If you really care that much then go learn the easy way, since learning the hard way real life probably is not the right way for you. BUT why do you care anyway? These are questions to ask yourself and NOT share with us.