Land Sale Mistake !!!!!

Yes, this is the advice I give to newbies selling land. Try reading a few FAQ's or manuals before selling. Just like how the military puts future soldiers through boot camp and doesn't just throw them out on the battlefield.

They don't bad alts? Jesus christ. Well if this is really your view, I don't know why you're giving your hard earned money to a company who would do this. I don't know why people spend their hard earned money in virtual land.

This isn't just a piece of First Land which could have sold for more. This is a matter of two thousand United States dollars, and it happened because someone exploited an accident which was caused by inconsistant software. This land should be frozen until the investigation is complete, but apparently LL is allowing it to be chopped up and sold.

How did it happen so quickly? The other person's avatar was nearby... did she see Sasi working on the land and watch her in the hopes that she'd slip up? And why didn't the Linden on the scene at least freeze the land temporarily?

Sasi, maybe you should speak to an attorney after all. From what I'm reading, you're not the first person this has happened to, and I would hope that the threat of a class-action lawsuit might scare LL into changing the interface.


Gydeon.

Hate to tell you, but you give up all rights to sue in the TOS. The most you can do it sit back, cry, and create a muiltpage thread about it.

Why haven't you left yet? If your experience is so horrible, then I think you'd have let your wallet speak a while ago. Do you thrive on negativity like so many others? Or do you view yourself as the emissary of hate, waiting to poison people's hearts with grim talk of sadistic executives and an unforgiving bureaucracy?

Curious advice. At one time I might have disagreed, but now.. I have to admit it sounds like a good idea.

Well and the best of all when you do get to speak to the supervisor of the liasons you get this response


Kinda gives you a warm feeling doesnt it that they really care about the 195$ she was paying in tier for her land, they say its legal although it like a bank with a faulty lock, blaming the customer for not watching the door.

Not to totally beat a dead horse, but in case anyone missed it back on the first page, there's now a Proposition 348 to add an extra popup window confirming your land sale choices before the land is actually listed for sale. Might prevent a lot of cases of this.

Saying "Well you shoulda..." to someone who just lost a lot of money like this may technically be true - yeah, they shoulda - but they didn't, and on accident, they lost a ton of money AND they also now feel like a goober when you say "Well you shoulda..." to them. Why not add in a little layer of extra protection for us people that make mistakes once in a while? Especially when the mistakes here can be so damn costly and waste so much time and heartache trying to fix.


/last bump

Well, then... bugger. In that case, I suppose the mercy of the Lindens is Sasi's only hope, and prop 348 is ours.



Anyone who doesn't cry over losing two thousand dollars obviously has a ridiculous amount of money in the bank. This is a very real problem.

Hopefully they'll do something, Sasi.


Gydeon.

For all those of you that posted "too bad, RTFM"... I can not even beging to let you know how ashamed I am to say I am in the same game as you. I have read alot of very unpleasent posts on these forums since I begane in March.. but this takes the cake by a landslide.

Everyone knows the LL land sell tools are very outdated and buggy. Nor do they even conform to standard "click" type boxes used in windows (or mac) where you must tell it to apply the changes. Hell... even rest of the LL boxes (like preferences) obey this standard input scheme.

Sasi, let me know if there is anything I can do. If it helps I will donate some $L or even $$ to your paypal acocunt to help you get going again.

/shakes head in shame

I want to Thank all of you .. well most of you lol....for replying to this thread.
I am not getting any help what so ever from anybody except you people and I really appreciate the posts. Maybe it is the only thing that will help. If not....I will definately seek legal assistance Thanks again and keep posting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, even if the TOS prohibits a lawsuit, it won't look good for Linden Labs if somebody tries. Even if you bounce of the TOS there will still be PR damage which will reach outside the game and possibly worry people who are considering an account. Many lawsuits have been settled just to make things quiet again.

Of course, I'm still hoping that they'll come through on this. Some folks have apparently been helped in the past, and hopefully you'll be added to that list.

Gydeon.

Asshole seems to be the operative word here.. The Lindens have the power to correct this and they damn well should be doing so.. Does the fact that this is a virtual world give anyone the right to take advantage of someone who to all intents and purposes was attempting to divide her land? Get over it?? .. HUH! like HELL .. keep on the Lindens Sass theres an issue here that will affect many ppl in the long term.. im so sorry that anyone was low enough to do this to you.. so much for human decency.. xo Ame

Technically that might not be true in this situation, this is a dispute about how the land tab works or doesnt for the lack of it, how it marks things for sale before your close the windows against the other rules for the window, and how working from left to right as per usual english it sets the land for sale before you set the price, that even before you get into the lack of dialogue boxes etc.

So when a service issue is being disputed its section 4.2 (d) that is where the legal issue is nulliefied and apart from being fobbed off sasi has not been offered any dispute resolution with linden so they themselves have left 4.2 (d) open

For the record, Jarod did pretty much quit playing a few months ago. He's one of those lifer accounts that owns his tax free 4096sm and just logs in occassionally to be sure the unused core land is still sitting there. I suppose the forums keep his attention just in case the Lindens decide to alter their business course away from the human experiment and into distributed waters.

This is true, but the real point is that there should be a safeguard against this. It's extremely easy to make a mistake the way the user interface is currently set up.
It took over a week before my unfortunate situation was resolved (described earlier in this thread). If the situation is not resolved I think we should take up a collection, and at least give this person some relief! Two grand is a huge hit!

The assholes who took advantage of this situation should be ostricized and shunned!

Susi, please IM me the name of the person who did this, in-world, so that I can never, ever do business with this person. Thanks.

I don't think we should start a relief, but start a big protest in-world.
We should bring the whole brampton server down, where they have their little builds.

But seriously this needs to be fixed ASP.

Why do you feel the need to be such a bitch? I can remember you threatening to quit virtually every time one of your half-baked projects failed, but now you have to piss on others? You and Jarod make a pretty pair of vipers.

This seems pretty bad now but I wouldn't start thinking about your options until at least the close of business tomorrow night. That gives Linden Lab a fair opportunity to untangle the mess. They probably have fifty crises like this every day that we never hear about because they manage to fix everything quickly. They really do have an excellent track record about returning land. We once had a situation in one sim where land was being released on its own. I lost over 8000 meters this way; released whilst I was logged out, and the person who bought it - a very well known and well thought of person, btw - tried to extort a huge number of Lindens out of me. Char Linden made sure we got back every meter that had been bought up.

I agree, the Lindens have show remarkable support to their users for situtations like this and others. Give them a day to read thru it, investigate it and see what they come up with.

I have high hopes the Lindens will do right.

This is very sad, Sasi. But one slight reassurance may be that you cannot have lost as much as you fear you have.

US$2000 is approximately L$500,000. The land would need to sell for roughly L$17/m to be worth that. A quick look at Coniston (which is pretty ordinary, no waterfront or telehub) suggests that even half that would be optimistic. My guess is a value of about US$600, rather than US$2000.

Perhaps you just converted the sums wrongly, and panicked, Sasi ?

An unusual feature of this case is the size of the plot involved. It is rather large for such an obviously inexperienced player to have invested in. Normally you would expect that before one got up to 30,000sqm one would have done enough buying and selling, joining and subdividing, to have become aware of the meticulous care which is every time required. Extra check boxes may help, but many people would still just click straight through them as a nuisance. The simple precaution of unticking the sell box before you do anything significant, and checking what you did before you turn it back on, is hardly genius-level, though, is it ?

Likely the Lindens will sort this out, which would be nice for Sasi. I would much prefer it, however, if we did NOT hear people talking about suing the Lindens. We all know the terms we accepted to join, and the insecure nature of holding these virtual assets has been emphasized again and again. I hope this "suing" business is just talk. To really attempt it would be a breach of any decent standard of behaviour at least as bad as that complained of. Worse, because if some crazy US court overturned the TOS disclaimers, it would probably be the end of SL. What a triumph that would be.

Are there many of you out there who think that having agreed to these terms, they can then be lightly set aside as soon as any difficulty occurs ? If so, could I please ask that, for the protection of the rest of us, you do NOT invest any sum more than you are willing to lose with merely a wry smile..

Is it possible, Sasi, that you already had some prior disagreement or dispute with this person ?

Did you have the big plot as covered with penises and copulating animals on open display as you now have on your small remaining plot ? I know its a mature sim, but perhaps you had gotten some person or persons upset ? It doesn't bother me, but some people think the "mature" sim designation is to allow freedom of behaviour indoors, rather than to licence the public display of mutiple erect male genitalia.

Just occurred to me when I saw your display that this person might have been fuming for some time, and saw their opportunity to hit back at you.

In no sense any justification at all, but it might offer a hint of an explanation.

In answer to your question, Ellie, Sas has been a wonderful neighbor during the entire time I've owned land in Windermere, the adjacent sim. We've both had experimental builds with lots of greenspace so the area looks attractive. The unusual build you mention grabbed my attention also. Turns out it's a protest by a person who contributes to SL, but is not getting the help she deserves from LL.

I've been ignoring the forums due to the usual negative influence, but Sas told me about this thread, so I'm here to add my voice to the others. Sas made an honest mistake, but a disreputable person (name on the land looks like an alt) has benefited. Here's hoping LL restores a situation that would never have occured except that the set for sale component of the UI is designed in such a way that honest mistakes can have disastrous consequences.

We cry because Linden Lab does not give us the power. Then we cry because Linden Lab does not protect us from ourselves.