Are you looking forward to Forum reforms?

Jillian, I could say a great deal more than just telling Enabran to get a life (one besides insinuating things about my character and motivation all the time) and STILL be perfectly within the TOS as it stands now. I could call him a jerk and a liar, and I forget what all else.

There is nothing that states, "We get to say whatever we want but Coco does not." Just because I have forum reforms in mind - again - doesn't mean that there are (low) standards for others to follow and (high) ones for me.

You get Enabran on your case for a month or so - saying all the things he did above - and see how you like it.

I prefer the rather mild suggestion that he get a life over some of the things I could say.

coco

You missed the entire point of what she said. No one is denying you the right to do that - it is not about what you said to Enabran, it's that you admonish people for doing the same damn thing. It is why people think you are a giant hypocrite. That you cannot see this is just staggering to me. Quit trying to force your standards on others, while doing the same damn thing, and things will be fine - until then, expect to be called on it every single time you do it.

You and I agree abosultely on this. The only thing I know we disagree on is whether bad forum conduct justifies an in world ban. And well the Lindens agree with you and i have a tad more compassion. But I think it is easier for me to put myself in the unpopular opinion seat, since I hold many unpopular opinions, and I make no secret of the fact that Prokofy and I enjoy a good relationship in world.

Aimee, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I showed everyone what Enabran had said about me in this thread, but you seem to think it's all just fine.

That means I can't work with you.

coco

Aimee - that part you quoted, what the heck is wrong with you people? Obviously, it could be substantiated.

Wow. I leave to play a little Civilization III and all this drama spills out. (Btw, I'm massing Swordsman at the border of a large Zulu territory. I'm so going to own them)

I'm going to have to agree with Aimee. If the very best Cocoanut can cite as "hideous" is the stuff she reposted that I said, it explains a whole lot about why she thinks everyone is acting against her in a great big mob.

Dictionary.com gives us this definition of hideous:

hideous

adj 1: grossly offensive to decency or morality; causing horror; "subjected to outrageous cruelty"; "a hideous pattern of injustice"; "horrific conditions in the mining industry" [syn: horrid, horrific, outrageous] 2: so extremely ugly as to be terrifying; "a hideous scar"; "a repulsive mask" [syn: repulsive]



Dictionary.com also helpfully defines hyperbole.

hyperbole

n : extravagant exaggeration [syn: exaggeration]

Nothing would thrill me more than to hear all the nice things you could say.

Coco, as has already been mentioned, you missed the entire point of my post.

You keep shirking responsibility for your actions on to others. Enabran isn't responsible for what you do. He's responsible for what he does. You are responsible for what you do. Nothing can change this. It's just the way the world is. I feel safe in saying that you probably really know this.

And if you really want to open up and get mean on him, that is an option that is open to you. It comes with the same consiquences as anyone else would face for the same breach of the forum rules, of course. Not a route I'd reccomend at all.

Come into the game, sometime, then, Enabran.

coco

I'm not shirking responsibility for anything. I do think he needs to get a life beyond interpreting all my posts for everyone else.

And I have no intention of opening up on him and getting mean on him or on anybody, under these rules, or under any rules. What I wish is that he would shut up in his constant (mis)interpretation of me. It would be good if he (and others) would merely speak for themselves and state their views, instead of rewriting everybody else in as sensationalistic and innacurate and negative light as possible.

You are right - those who goad others and hound them from thread to thread, as they have done to others here on these forums, are not responsible for what people say back to them. But the truth is, they WANT to get a rise out of people, and keep at it, and keep at it. They aren't even emotionally involved. They don't get their jollies till the pay-off, when they finally do get a response from the people they peck at endlessly.

What they are responsible for is doing all that crap in the first place. It's not clever, and it's worse writing by far than any scandal sheet.

coco

Harassment is against the TOS in-world, too. Though I rarely report that sort of thing, I'll spare you the thrill of breaking the rules.

Then why give them the "pay-off" moment?

I belive it bears repeating: If this forum needs any changes, then it needs more people being willing to use the ignore button, the post report button, and the mettle to not respond in kind.

Coco, I have some of the same concerns Enebran has. I don't feel he was hounding you or being hideous. We don't want to get a rise out of you. We just want to understand what you are seeing and help you see how we see things. That's the purpose of the Forums.

I am emotionally involved and there is no way I get my jollies off of any outburst. We just want to know why you feel the way you do and to help you see our side.

I don't know what else to say to you. You don't seem to respond to my posts, I hope I haven't done anything to make you put me on ignore.

Besides, even though your outburst wasn't very nice, it was mild. You seem capable of controlling yourself and, for the most part, answering questions. And you or no one else has been permanently banned since the new policy went into effect. How long has that been now? At least a month or more. See it works.



A proud member of PIC = Pudding Inner Core
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See how the two are so inter-related? See why we need the policy that connects both the game and in-world. Because we can connect on both levels from one through the other.


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"To announce that there must be no criticism of
the president, or that we are to stand by the
president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

I think you're really demonizing the people who disagree with you here. Personally, as one of your favorite demons (you call me out for things even other people do) I'm just interested in an end to your mommying and to your hypocritical ideals. I want an end to your lust for prolonged divisiveness, as in your Bedazzle/Bank/FIC/"Problem"/"Incident"/"Great step forward" thread. I get no satisfaction from these exchanges. I despise them probably more than you do. But I was born with tenacity. Faced with the wicked untruths you speak, with the execrable rifts you seek to rend, with the willful ignorance you wish to propogate, I feel impelled to speak. If I, and others, will not do this, who will?

You long for the day when the Word of Cocoanut cannot be refuted on penalty of death. Until such day comes, your detractors will be called mobs, your critics will be demonized and you will be most unhappy with all you see.

...

What? You always do the coup de grâce with a flourish.

/me slips his Pen of Greater Eloquence into his pocket smugly.

I think my message to you was polite, well intentioned and honest. But my feelings did disagree with your assessment of the situation so you follow it up with "I can't work with you." There we have it.

If forum policy seems to be seriously on the verge of changing for the worst I will return to express my feelings in opposition. Otherwise I am outta here. It's silly to see one person get so much attention over reform that all but two people oppose. It's just not going to happen.

I think you're right, Miss.

/me saddles his horse and rides off into the sunset.


(Enabran Templar retires from this thread.)

Yes! You are my favorite demon, Enabran!

Come into the game . . . come into my garden, said the spider to the fly . . . !

coco

EXACTLY! And its high time everyone stood up and took notice of this and spoke out about it too.

Push push push....

push back

ohh she pushed back everyone ATTACK!

what a load.

But Cat, these people couldn't help themselves, according to Coco. They were pushed by their fear.

If someone told you to get a life, would that be okay?

If we are going to want a better behaved forum, then everyone has be behave, even the people requesting it. There was no excuse.

Well then perhaps its time everyone put the bullies on notice that their negativity has no place in a meaningful discussion. Why is it we only call into question those who have been pushed beyond their limits and not those doing the pushing?

things that make me go hmmm.

Cat

I'm sorry Cat, but Coco pushed first when she proposed to change the forums. Can you understand how this made people feel? Can you understand their concerns?

If I proposed changing something important to you that would negatively impact on your game enjoyment (and yes the forums are part of the game) wouldn't you defend it?

What if I said you must sell stuff and make a profit in Second Life to continue to play? Please note this is hypothetical.

Wouldn't you try to fight this new policy? This is how I feel about Coco trying to change the forum policy.

Can you please just try to see how people would be forced to speak out.

If Coco's outburst is pushing back, then why can't the outbursts she refers to be perceived in the same manner. Quid Pro Quo!



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"To announce that there must be no criticism of
the president, or that we are to stand by the
president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

How are they bullies? Is Coco a bully? They were merely discussing their feelings toward the subject. Why is it okay for one to have outbursts but not the other?

Because invariably those who are pushed are complicit in the pushing. More often than not, that same pushee misbehaves as egregiously as the pushers, but they're incapable of seeing that.

Just because someone had a lousy experience does not give them carte blanche to act inappropriately. It's a lesson which the "victims" must learn, just as the "bullies" must learn their lesson.

Beat a dog with a stick enough times and the dog will bite back. Hopefully the owner will be picked up by the spca and spend a year in jail. I don't think its ever right to bully anyone. I didn't do it in grade school and I won't accept it as a fact of life as an adult. It's all rather childish in my opinion and realy has no place in a world where we are suppose to be surpassing anything that has ever been done before.

As soon as someone can explain to be how this is good for the metaverse I will surely change my opinion. Until then I can safely say the forums are not an extension of SL. To me they seem like rl and in world well the only limits are our imaginations. SL is not an extension of rl its an entirly seperate experiece and thats what makes it so kewl.

Sooner or later the kids will have no one more to fight with and things can change till then I will poke my nose in voice my opinion as I always have but for the most part I will be in the sl experiece leaving all the dhrama mamas to duke it out

Have a great day ok

Cat