Are you looking forward to Forum reforms?

Coco, just keep overlooking posts that you don't like. I do that all the time.

But I have to say, please use my technique. Think about being the recipient of the words before you send them. Think to yourself, would this make me understand the situation better or would this be helpful.

I don't think you would want anyone to tell you "to get a life".

Can we all try to do this more often?

I am afraid your reforms would encourage more statments like this.

Please don't change the current policy.



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That is possible Seth. Thank you.

Cat

I do so love the way this works. <sarcasm>

"OooooH! Lookie! Coco said something that wasn't very nice!"

That is so flipping rich.

So very, very rich.

And gorgeously predictable.

Here we have this ENTIRE thread. We're, what, 22 pages into it? And I've listened to this and that hideous thing about myself - not to mention the entire thread ITSELF - but now OOOOOH OOOOOOH we finally got Coco to say something not nice!

OOOH OOOH Now we get to call her a hypocrite! Etc., etc.

Love how that works.

With other posters, you hope to keep after them enough to get them to say HORRIBLE things, to get them warned, to get them booted, to get RID of them, using the very same tactics you used with me on this thread.

With me, you might - after 22 pages - get me to say one negative thing. Enjoy it.

coco

I agree. Damn, Enabran! Don't you have kids or something you should be spending time with, instead of spending all your time trying to write up some lengthy forum reform manifesto?! For shame!

What hideous things about yourself? Could you point out a few? Or maybe one?

ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

*looks up from floor, confused look on face*

"who dareth disturbeth me when I sayeth, 'ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...'"?

I just caught up on this thread.

Coco, there are about five posts (at least) of yours which I wanted to respond to, but, by the end of the thread, I see you have validated the general feel of what I was considering posting.

So, instead, I will leave you with this, a glaring example of your method, in which you dramatize reality, and happily engage in sheer hypocrisy, to fit your argument(s):

One person. One Coco - Ulrika. Then, you go on to state the exact same sentiment to her! Mon Dieu!







I re-read that thread from the point where Ulrika states what she feels should happen to you, and I couldn't find one other person who agreed with her! Not one Coco! As a matter of fact, the only people who even responded about Ulrika's feelings were on your side! That is not a campaign! Do you think your talking to naive adolescents here? I suppose that is possible - I did read an ageist comment form you with regard to Enabran's and Jauani's ages yesterday, even though I doubt you even know their ages. This is fast becoming the hallmark of a Coco post - assumption, and then cheap shots, all the while portraying the puritan yearning for reforms. Do you think that people can't see the deliberate hyperbole and outright misrepresentation of fact on a regular basis? The double standards? The hypocrisy? Sigh.

Uggggh!

No doubt , at some future point, we will be treated to the excuse, we made Coco do this. We pushed her to her breaking point! AR and mute buttons be damned! I had no choice! Mom! They made me do it!

Sigh. I was typing my reply, predicting that this was going to come from Coco's fingertips, and voila! Here it is.

I agree about the "predictable" part, more than you can imagine!

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Gandhi

ok since you claim there are hideous things about you in this thread, can you point them out? they are in this thread, it shouldn't be too hard to find them for you. i must have missed a few pages while i was trying to set ingrid up with pandastrong.

How about those from just one person.

Enabran:
1. I'm looking forward to a farcically inflammatory thread that calls for "urgent" reforms despite the forums being a perfectly peaceful and placid environment for the last couple of weeks.

2. Though I would venture that it's about as constructive as the threatened, sanctimonious "Forum Reform" thread is going to be.

3. All that has been named in the original post is that Cocoanut is going to finally make her long-threatened Forum Reform post. She has been going on about it for a month. It's been built up with such ferocity it's almost a public event. She has admitted that it is true in this very thread that she is going to make the post.

4. Enough hearsay, Cocoanut. I want proof. Not 'some people' and 'other people.' You're a big fan of creating big, bad vague enemies. I want to see some very specific proof before I write you off as another troublemaker.

5. Interesting. So, taking liberties with the truth.

banning != warning

Credibility: - 10 points

While I'm not going to say you should be banned from the forums, Cocoanut, I am finding your constant hyperbole a little grating.

6 . Please refrain from making statements that cannot be substantiated. It wastes everyone's time. It destroys your credibility. No good for anyone involved.

7. Christ, I hope not. Credibility is suffering enough.

coco

"As a matter of fact, the only people who even responded about Ulrika's feelings were on your side! That is not a campaign!"

I agree, Nolan. I meant, she was trying (tried twice) to start a campaign. I didn't mean that there were others in it with her.

coco

Try the title of the thread and the first post in it, Juani. If you still don't get it, reread Hiro's comments.

coco

Those are hideous things said about you? You can't be serious. I mean honestly, there is absolutely no way any functional adult is so thin-skinned as to think anything you quoted was even mean, let alone hideous.

Give it another shot.

One hideous thing.

I don't get it. Certainly you expected this. If you go on about how personal attacks should simply never happen, and then post one of your own (no matter how mild) of course you're going to be called a hypocrite.

Also, you can't pass on the responsibility for your choice to post that to anyone else, no meter what they posted, individually or as a group. It was your choice and your choice alone. If you really belive there's a conspiracy to get you removed from the board, then it behooves you to beat it by accepting your own responsibility for your posts.

No one can make you do anything you're not willing to do already, especially over a mostly anonymous forum on the 'net. If they could force you to do things, they'd have you wire them money.

None of those are even mildly skirting being attack.

Coco, I just reread the whole thread and I couldn't find one hideous thing anyone wrote about you. No one made you write any statement. I'm find this very hard to deal with as I am trying to understand both sides.

I feel very close to this thread because I have asked you not to propose any policy change as I would be forced to withdraw from the forums. I am at work and having a really hard day with a troublesome coworker and on Mon I had two teeth pulled. As I can't get into the game at the moment, the only real pleasure I have is participating in the forum. But your proposed change would prevent me from having even that one pleasure and it scares me.

Now you say someone said hideous things to about you. I do believe they do not want the forum policy to change and they are questioning this. None of that is hideous.

Oh hon, if you really think those things are hideous, it's most fortunate you weren't here before and at the receiving end of some of the things I experienced. Just your small lot alone would have made you a target of not being worthy to respond to these forums.

I hope nothing I've said represent hideous in your book. I try really hard to discuss the facts not the person. All of the examples you have cited were issues not direct personal attacks. Nothing nearly as bad as "get a life".

Please think how you feel that your ability to post in the forums is threatened, that's how I and some others feel about forum policy change.

Don't take the forums away from me.


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Have it your way, Reitsuki. And anyone else.

coco

I think it's finally crystal clear that the only person you should be (and are) worried about getting banned is yourself. If you take comments that mild and feel that they drive you to lashing out, going so far as to call them pages of hideous attacks, then I can definitely see why you'd be worried about losing your game. But please stop trying to hide behind the banner of being on some crusade for anyone but you. Everyone else seems to be doing just fine.

So then, please stop using it as a tool to try and shame other people.

Please stop calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a part of a gang of 6. Or 16 (will it be 26 next week? Maybe, if you feel the need to inject more drama) - We are individuals. This is why I am offended by you Coco.

Your assertions that some "gang" uses the AR button to get people banned is not only highly insulting to those players you accuse, but also to LL themselves, and you can't even back it up with one example.

I know for a fact, that if I believed this to be true, I would be gone immediately, which leads us to this question; if you really believe this to be true, that LL allows "gangs" of people to influence their disciplinary decisions, why are you still here?

I am going to take a stab at the answer - you dont really believe it.

You are simply stubborn, and cannot be wrong. If that means using all kinds of tactics like ascribing one person's feelings to a "gang", disallowing individuals individual thought, claiming that LL disciplines people because some "gang" reports them, or creating all kinds of boogeymen and monsters-in-the-closet, distorting incidents to support your position, and on and on, so be it.

/me Hugs Coco.

I can see that whether we think there were attacks, you feel they were attacks and I am sorry for this.

But like you said, sometimes people are forced into posting things by others. I think some people are scared to have the policy changed and maybe their fear is forcing them to react in ways that you perceive as attacks.

Everyone, we know we don't really mean to attack Coco. I have an idea, I could AR each one of those statements for you Coco so we can see if Linden Labs thinks they are attacks.

Otherwise, just overlook them Coco. Just realize they feel forced into making these statements because your proposed forum changes are threatening to them.

I only hope I'm not saying anything to upset you because I feel so threatened by these proposed changes.

/me Hugs Coco


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I did! Not as much as hitting the little 'AR' button, but it sure was fun!

*end sarcasm*

My god, you have to be fucking kidding me, right? I mean seriously. Are you that soft skinned and scared of dispute that now this is what you are putting forth as hideous things and personal attacks? That is completely and utterly nuts - nearly anyone could run afoul of you just by saying boo. No wonder you and Catherine find so much common ground, honestly.

PS - every word of what Enabran said is true - you just cannot stand having any of your behavior called into question in any way.

there is nothing hideous in either your notes for jonquille, nor is there anything hideous in my initial post, caca.

to consider all criticism or opposing views as insults is a misguided intellectual arrogance.

as much as it's your right to propose reforms and polls on them, it's my right to oppose them, make light of them, and inquire if anyone even cares.

hiro left this thread very quickly, probably when he realized he was taking it too seriously, and that it wasn't about poseballs. he had great comments, but they were posted in the wrong thread.

i'm going to start ar'ing vague unsubstantiated accusations from now on as they only serve to incite animosity and disruptive flamewars.

cocau,
it's pretty witless to claim you were pushed to attack enabran, when you had to edit the post to add the attack. how lame is that?

This one is my favorite:



This is not a personal attack ... this is the kind of advice Jeska should put on a sticky for all the forum to see!!

Coco, this is a bit telling. If these statements are what you in your mind consider "personal attacks", then I can see how the entire forum would appear as a chaotic landscape of violence and brutality to you. Disagreements with people must feel like melee, multiple disagreements must feel like mob riots, and diciplinary warnings must seem like capital punishment.

I don't know that I have any advice to give on this.

One of the things that bothers me the most about Cocoanut's "forum reforms" campaign is she is trying to get Linden Lab to modify the forums to force behaviors of others - to apply her standard of behavior on everyone in SL. Right now, she is free to behave as she wishes - some things have consequences, but she and everyone else in these forums has a really wide berth in terms of expressing themselves.

Based upon her ridiculous example of Enabran's comments as being a shining example of what she is fighting against, I now realize how dangerous her efforts are to all of our speech in these forums. I have faith that Linden Lab can see all of this as well and so I am not that concerned - but just the sheer audacity of going on a crusade to reform us all and force us to behave as Cocoanut sees fit is offensive to me.