Are you looking forward to Forum reforms?

You missed the more recent one then, Pendari, which specifically called for my banning. And the ensuing discussion involved exactly which punishment which of the supposed two of us should receive. A number were careful to say "if" it were true, sure. But the fact that it was discussed at ALL - much less by so many, and so cold-bloodedly - I'm telling you, it was absolutely chilling.

Jillian, not many could withstand things as I can. The point is, none of us should HAVE to. And certainly, anyone who has been subjected to it shouldn't end up losing their game as well, just because they finally broke down.

coco

And yet, when people do get to this point, and decide to all put a certain abusive poster on ignore, you rant and rail and rend your hair and call it a heinous act and one of the ugliest things you've ever seen. So I'll ask you... What makes it okay for Horace to lash back and break the ToS badly enough and often enough to get himself suspended or banned, and yet when people all agree they've had enough of someone's idiocy, after months of it, and put it on ignore, you cry and waggle your finger?

Horace should stop being such a pussy and AR the bullies if it's bothering him. Others who witness it should also AR that behavior. Just because Horace chooses not to AR, does not mean that his reactionary actions should have no consequences, or that those consequences should be lessened for poor him.


You're wrong. Again.

And it is your right to have that *opinion*.

Thank you, Pendari!
However, ther was no post calling for her banning. There was one for a warning to be served. I don't share the view of that poster that the warning was deserved, and it appears only one other did agree.
So, helpful as that was, I get the idea it was not the post to which Coco referred.

Reitsuki, how is what I said here . . .

"1. People are invited to the forums for the express and only purpose (besides gaining information) of sharing their opinions on matters, and naturally, many of the issues are controversial.

Although sometimes people gather in the game to share opinions, this is a small amount of activity compared to the vast majority of activities people engage in in the game."

. . . an opinion, rather than factual?

coco

Please point the post or posts out!

That looks uncannily like Lordfly....

I'm not talking about civil disagreement. I'm talking about gratuitous attacks. Which is the second of the forum reforms I have in mind.

coco

lol Jonquille, when I'm talking about Horace I'm thinking of someone entirely different of who others are thinking of, apparently.

coco

You make assumptions about the nature and intent of the forum that are not substantiated by objective facts, not to mention making judgements about in-game activities and its relative occourance compared to on-forum activities that are not substantiated by any data whatsoever.

If we were just throwing out opinions, my opinion is that the majority of meetings in world are for the sharing of opinions. But I cannot back my opinion up any more than you can.

Interesting. So, taking liberties with the truth.





banning != warning

Credibility: - 10 points

While I'm not going to say you should be banned from the forums, Cocoanut, I am finding your constant hyperbole a little grating.

No. But if you had, or if you did read the forum history (as others have suggested in the past to perhaps help ease some of your fears), you would have seen Reits and I going at it fiercly over the Neualt issue. Of course it was mainly because at the time most thought it was going to be an SL wide thing, and of course Ulrika being the firecracker she is, she got all sorts of people angry at us. haha

At any rate. Reits and I stand together on this current issue, yet we have had our past. I don't fear him a bit nor would I ever imagine him fearing me.

Time means nothing. Your own behavior and your own self control, that's pretty much all you have to worry about.

That doesn't answer the question I asked you. Why is a reactionary attack acceptable for Horace, but not for others? Why does one earn your excuses, and the other your condemnation?

Hugs Coco, I am sorry you feel this way. I also know how you feel about AR's. But the only way the people that you mention will learn is if they get warnings. If you AR the posts you refer to, the Lindens will determine if it merits a warning. I do believe we have to give the Lindens more credit. They can understand the difference between an obvious group attack and real abuse.

You already have the tools at hand to correct the problem. Forum reforms are not the solution, especially if people don't use the AR.

By reporting people, you are showing them exactly where they've stepped out of bounds. And you might help someone step back from their anger, step back from their lack of controls, step back and reevaluate, "is this the kind of poster I want to be perceived as being".

Use the tools we already have. And if after you use them, you still don't get the desired results, then you can try other methods.

I beg you, don't change the current policy. I will miss these forums so much if I have to leave.

I guess I could add the forums are a place for sharing pictures, as well as info and opinions, but that's about the only other thing you can do in them.

And that's a fact!

Whereas in the game, there is just a whole BUNCH of other things people can do. Building, scripting, partying, events, exploring. Or, just look at the events calendar and count the discussion events compared to all the other events.

I really don't think my observations of the fundamentally different purposes of the two environments is a matter of opinion. One is for playing the game; one is for talking about the game you are playing.

coco

I think by now it is pretty obvious that I am a forum junkie. And able to recall (and provide links to) just about any thread needed. But I have no idea what thread you are talking about. Can you give me a link? A date? A few keywords?

I'd be really surprised if I missed it, but I suppose anything is possible.

Gratuitous attacks are already covered. No reform is needed for that.

Because I don't blame the person who has had a bunch of people going for his/her jugular for two years. Who endures personal attacks from a whole gang, even today, yet doesn't respond in kind. When I saw that very scenario when I first got on the forums - people attacking that person, when that person had said NOTHING to deserve it. I noticed, because I couldn't figure out, from anything being said, ANYTHING that person had said to merit those attacks.

coco

You assume there is a difference.

Coco? Where can I find the post or posts that called for your banning?

Ok, right. You don't blame people who are provoked.

So much for personal responsibility, ne?

You are right, April, that the system can't work well unless people use the system. I know my not using the system isn't being a "good citizen," but I can't help it.

As for the link to the call for my banning, I don't know where it is. But it happened.

This has been a good conversation, but I would like to get in SL now.

coco

Please name the poor sheep.

Please name the evil gang. I await proof. So does everyone else.

Please refrain from making statements that cannot be substantiated. It wastes everyone's time. It destroys your credibility. No good for anyone involved.