Are you looking forward to Forum reforms?

yeah but apparently his answer was wrong beyond anyones wildest imaginations.

Hysteria?
Meaning: a state of extreme emotion: a state of extreme or exaggerated emotion such as excitement or panic, especially among large numbers of people
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I thought we were having a meaningful discussion about all sides of these issues.

Labels are for clothing.

Chip; your right there.

Excellent point, ty.

Cat

I'm just hoping that the results of the poll will be enough to squelch this whole thing. If enough people say "None of the Above", does that mean we don't want any changes and leave it at that? Or will there be more and more of this if the desired results aren't received.




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Say, who's more hysterically funny? The few people who try to inject a little of their own hysteria into these forums, or the legions who get hysterical about it?

heh, I'm sure we all have our own answers to that! While I might agree that certain Banished Ones effectively tormented and harrassed people, I can't think of anything I've read by Cocoanut or Jake that falls in that category. Is a difference of opinion tormenting? Is an opinion held despite overwhelming opposition harrassing?

I give the minority more leeway, because it's an extremely difficult position to be in. And I want the majority to treat them with respect. Unless they're demonstrable loons. I don't see anything here that indicates that Cocoanut and Jake are anything more than very, very stubborn. And perhaps prone to take things too personally. But those are characteristics I see in certain persons of the majority, as well.

I understand exactly what April is talking about when she uses terms like "torment" and "harrassment". And I understand how she feels about changing the forum rules. And I know how irritating a minority can be when they just don't quit. But I think we ought to be careful about stifling dissent of any kind, no matter how unpopular, just because we're anxious about the rise of another ProCrowViev.

And I can name you any number of examples where thank gawd a minority did not quit, although the majority was just as pissed off at them at that time.

Yeah right. These people put up their own fair share of polls. Along the way managed to consistently twist almost every word he said into some kind of personal attack. They relentlessly entered into any thread he posted and subverted it to provoke him into attacking back. It never even mattered what the topic was-if he posted it, about twenty people howled automatically. A lot of these posters, btw, complained simply that his posts were too long and convoluded, so he must have been an idiot or insane. At least two people jumped on this bandwagon just so they could be forum harpies and discuss his mental health.

Once they put so much pressure on him he was forced to spend all his posts defending himself they howled that he was divisive and abuse reported him, and got him banned. Even Pathfinder was brought in on the back end of that plot to sway the mods into banning him. And then people Like me and Jake and Coco, who saw this going on, got branded as his alts (and each others), and then hounded and attacked on the forums. I mostly quit the forums because of it, and now the same group is apparently trying to hound out poor Coco. Jake and Catherine better quit while they are ahead.

Personally, I'll take the poll. Because the only offensive agenda in these forums is the in-crowd trying to win the cheerleader contest. I'd stick around for the responses to this, but I could write them for you. Grow up already people.

Damn Jenn, stop beating around the bush ant tell us how you really feel!

Christ, who let this one read the fic loll hahaha whitepaper? I will be contacting all 19 of you individually.

Woooo the FIC is in TROUBLE!! Glad I'm not one of YOU GUYS!!

Wow, it's funny, I remember it much differently. I never hounded anyone and I'm definitely not hounding Coco. Yet this person was abusive to me over and over and over again.

So he wasn't maligning anyone, he was just misunderstood?

Please remember, no one can get anyone banned. The actions an individual takes gets them banned.


Why is it that when Person A does/says/posts things that Person B doesn't like/has an oppposing opinion/or finds offensive and responds, Person A's behavior is excused, yet Person B is held to a higher standard?

For the record, everyone here has grown up, some of us just see being grown up in a different light then others.

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Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

It's a Bolshevik thing, you wouldn't understand.

Nah, it's a bullshit thing.

I don't deny that after a while it wouldn't have mattered what Prok said. He'd already made his bed by that point and there was nothing left to do but lie in it. I think your memory is a bit hazy however. Most of the attacks against Prok were the result of people feeling they had to defend themselves from his relentless smear campaigns.

There are definitely people who feel that anyone they perceive as being a member of "the in crowd" deserve to be taken down a notch. People who think that way tend to ignore the actions of anyone causing grief to those they perceive as fitting that description or being FIC or whatever other snide label they care to use. For some reason they "deserve" to be attacked and maligned and if they should become offended and defend themselves they'll just be accused of being a mob. It's a warped view.

I agree totally. My behavior, for instance, seems held to an almost inhuman standard, regardless of what others say to provoke me.

coco

Try look at this whole experience as your preparation for sainthood. If you're not already there, that is.

How would you like it, Ingrid? Or can you even think in terms like that?

coco

I agree. It's not very nice. Yet by some miracle of human spirit, most of us were able to heal from the social trauma which we've experienced in our lives without becoming fixated on the matter. Perhaps you should try a post-traumatic stress support group...

I suspect you like it a lot actually.

Well you are completely wrong.

coco

Ah ha! Personal attack!

edit: Sorry, couldn't resist.

(Enabran Templar re-retires from this thread.)

Very much an exaggerated emotion, and extreme, and consistantly presented as such. Thanks for helping make my point.

As for labels, most are self-selected by behavior or reaction. Your post was both.

The increasingly strident insistance by this small and hopelessly dissonant minority is being demonstrated as such by the very poll that hoped to prove otherwise, both here and here.

At this point, an intelligent person would accept this is the case and let it go.

Oh well.

The gall of people expecting you to practice what you're so fond of preaching. How can anyone actually be expected to live up to the standards they demand in others? I don't know how you go on every day, Cocoa.

Coco, all of our behavior is held to the same standards. If you cross the line, it's the same as anyone crosses the line. If someone provokes you, it's the same as you provoke someone else.

I'm sorry if my post made you think I was singling you out. I was not. I'm talking about anyone.

I have been provoked and I try very hard never to sink to the level of the "provoker".

I also think that if you feel the way you do, you really should use the AR, instead of lashing out. I'm sorry if this offends you. But this is the tool LL has provided for you and it is better than lashing back at people provoking, if you think they are.

Also, and please know I am not trying to attack you, but sometimes when you critisize someone for doing something and then do it yourself, it would just seem it would make you understand why the other person did what you didn't approve of.

I'm trying hard to think of a good analogy. Sometimes I think analogies help people see the situations better. Okay what if I didn't think throwing snowballs was a good idea. Everytime I see someone throwing snowballs. I say " stop, you shouldn't throw snowballs". I write a letter to the local newspapers decrying the snowballing throwing in our area. I cite all the reasons I think throwing a snowball is bad. One day I'm walking down the street and someone throws a snowball at me. It lands at my feet intact. I think I'm tired of people throwing snowballs at me. If I bend over and pick up that snowball and throw it back, someone is going to point this out to the local paper.

And again, I hope this doesn't appear to be an attack, but I didn't see an answer to my question:






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I didn't lash out. I said I thought Enabran needed to get a life, rather than following me around to dissect my every word.

Big deal.

coco

P.S. Interesting snowball analogy! Let me think on that; I gotta go clean out the garage.

As April said, you are not held to a higher standard. You are held to the exact same standard you hold others to. When you act out, for whatever reason, you are called on it, because you are the one calling people on it in the first place. I could care less if you told Enabran to get a life or go fuck a tree, if you weren't constantly calling out people on personal attacks, no one would say a word. Also, it is frustrating that when you lash out, or Catherine lashes out, it is justified based upon how you have been treated. However, whenever any other individual lashes out, you cry foul.