We can pretend that ALL of the players here are 18 and over, but lets get real. There is not guarantee of that. With that in mind then the activities are illegal and should not be persued any further. There is no need to theorize about a situation where everyone is 18.
I think that 'tasting' something can often lead to a stronger desire to have it all. Don't mess around here. If you have a desire to be seduced by an adult while you are pretending to be a kid, I would maybe start a private club. At your house. With yourself.... oh and maybe a therapist.
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Ursa Falcone
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01-25-2005 09:05
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
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01-25-2005 09:06
Im not one to say what you can or cannot do... but I do know...
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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01-25-2005 09:07
So what? Link me to an article/research paper that shows that REMOVING the chance of fantasies or materials depecting such decreases the likelyhood of someone acting on such impulses, and THEN you'll have a point. Until then, all you've just stated is that 99% of people who die in plane crashes ate peas at one point in their life, and therefore eating peas causes plane crashes. But they're not. They're a representation of an adult pretending to be a child. I guess some of us can seperate reality from fantasy a bit easier than others. *shrug* And some of us realise that people who have this fantasy have problems....So do you enjoy reading the same Japanese Anime as the original poster? |
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
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01-25-2005 09:07
We can pretend that ALL of the players here are 18 and over, but lets get real. There is not guarantee of that. With that in mind then the activities are illegal and should not be persued any further. There is no need to theorize about a situation where everyone is 18. Following that line of reasoning, it'd be ok if the two people verified their ages, right? Im not one to say what you can or cannot do... but I do know... Kid AVs are frelling CREEPY! Got that right. So do you enjoy reading the same Japanese Anime as the original poster? Yaoi? No thanks. I'm heterosexual. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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01-25-2005 09:08
What about those who aren't American? Surely the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children only covers the US? No, and in such cases there is very little legal action LL can take... But as LL is an American company, it has to conform to American legal doctrine, which involves certain procedures for dealing with child pornography. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
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01-25-2005 09:10
And some of us realise that people who have this fantasy have problems....So do you enjoy reading the same Japanese Anime as the original poster? No point in attacking Mole, Talen. He didn't do anything to deserve that. He's stating an opinion, and while I don't entirely agree with it, it's well within his right to do so. |
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Ursa Falcone
Rocket Scientist
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
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01-25-2005 09:10
Following that line of reasoning, it'd be ok if the two people verified their ages, right? Well, if you had really read what I wrote you would have seen the last line: "We can pretend that ALL of the players here are 18 and over, but lets get real. There is not guarantee of that. With that in mind then the activities are illegal and should not be persued any further. There is no need to theorize about a situation where everyone is 18." If, you need to push on to theorizing that everyone is 18... well. go ahead. I don't want to waste my time rightnow on that, but rest assured that I do not think it is alright ever. _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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01-25-2005 09:11
They're a representation of an adult pretending to be a child. I guess some of us can seperate reality from fantasy a bit easier than others. *shrug* I hope you're right if you're speaking for everyone who is into this. _____________________
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
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01-25-2005 09:12
If the sex or simulated sex is between two consenting adults, then it is fine. You can roleplay child/parent or whatever else you want. And no, pixels are NOT child pornography, nor is anime. No child is involved, thus no "child" in the child pornography. Does it encourage child molestation? I really doubt it, since most people sick and harsh enough to actually do something like that to a child would probably not need any encouragement. But who knows..? While I would kill anyone that touched my son in an innapropriate manner, or severly beat any child molester I ran across, I still believe roleplaying between consenting adults is thier business and thier right. As long as one is able to seperate fantasy from reality, and act in a responsible way, then live and let live. Also, on a side note, not that many years back in human history, 13 years old was the acceptable marrying age, right or wrong. However, I strongly stress that any sexual activity, even roleplaying, AV sex and cyber, take place only between consenting adults. The age of consent varies from country to country too - so it is in some senses cultural. http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm The age of consent for all sex in the UK is 16. In South Korea it's 13 and Canada 14. The US is on the high end of the spectrum with 18 in some places - but of course the servers are in the US and everyone is supposed to be 18 anyway. It is interesting how this *could* concern the teen grid. Two 14 year old South Koreans are allowed to have sex for example. With Robin Linden saying that they will report people to a US body this makes me think that the Linden's haven't considered national cultural differences - or even that some of us aren't under US juristiction? |
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Liona Clio
Angel in Disguise
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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01-25-2005 09:13
Any adult that wants to be around children such as Michaell Jackson does.....has a problem. He goes on trial soon they'll be picking the jusr next week. Supposedly they found some child porn in his house so we'll see. There were major concerns about Lewis Carrol by his peers as well. I easily interact with children but I don't have them around me 24/7 and I certainy don't sleep in the same bed with them like Jackson does.....he admits to doing this and he called it a beautiful thing.....makes ya wonder. *nod* And I'm not saying Jackson is innocent, either. What I am saying is just because you have a love of children doesn't mean you want to have sex with them. Today's society likes to leap to that conclusion. I like kids (when they're not being bratty). I also think it's extremely cute when a young child, whether in a story or in RL, has a crush on whomever. Does that mean that deep down I want to have sex with a child? The answer is NO. And anyone who even *hesitates* with the answer to that question....has a problem. _____________________
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Talen Morgan
Amused
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01-25-2005 09:14
No point in attacking Mole, Talen. He didn't do anything to deserve that. He's stating an opinion, and while I don't entirely agree with it, it's well within his right to do so. It wasn't an attack. Just a question. You see I wouldn't have had a problem with the original poster if they just said I want to role play....but then they added other bits like the Japanese anime depicting men with boys...then later said they enjoyed it. |
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Jessica Robertson
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2004
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01-25-2005 09:14
I want a clear cut and dry public answer from a linden.
Is the following behavior violating your rules. Two or more residents where the residents are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, animations, or poses, where one or more of the residents is posing as a child in appearance and conversation. I understand that appearance alone is not necessarily a factor and is subject to interpretation, however, the resident is also appearing as a child in not only appearance but also in conversation. Let me be more specific. Scenerio One Two residents of SL. One is posing as an adult in coversation and appearance The other is posing as a child in conversation and appearance The two are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations Two residents of SL Scenerio Two Both are posing as children and engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations. If it's not illegal, it damn well should be. Jessica |
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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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01-25-2005 09:19
I want a clear cut and dry public answer from a linden. Is the following behavior violating your rules. Two or more residents where the residents are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, animations, or poses, where one or more of the residents is posing as a child in appearance and conversation. I understand that appearance alone is not necessarily a factor and is subject to interpretation, however, the resident is also appearing as a child in not only appearance but also in conversation. Let me be more specific. Scenerio One Two residents of SL. One is posing as an adult in coversation and appearance The other is posing as a child in conversation and appearance The two are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations Two residents of SL Scenerio Two Both are posing as children and engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations. If it's not illegal, it damn well should be. Jessica and can you give me a reason why it should be? the scenarii you are picturing seems to be totally ok to me, so why should it be forbidden is it just because it hurt your vision? _____________________
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
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01-25-2005 09:19
I want a clear cut and dry public answer from a linden. Is the following behavior violating your rules. Two or more residents where the residents are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, animations, or poses, where one or more of the residents is posing as a child in appearance and conversation. I understand that appearance alone is not necessarily a factor and is subject to interpretation, however, the resident is also appearing as a child in not only appearance but also in conversation. Let me be more specific. Scenerio One Two residents of SL. One is posing as an adult in coversation and appearance The other is posing as a child in conversation and appearance The two are engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations Two residents of SL Scenerio Two Both are posing as children and engaging in sexually explicit conversation, poses, or animations. If it's not illegal, it damn well should be. Jessica From what I can read in the TOS/CS, it's not illegal for the same reason people pretending to smoke pot in SL isn't illegal. _____________________
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
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01-25-2005 09:20
Creepy I Say Creepy
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Barbarra Blair
Short Person
Join date: 18 Apr 2004
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01-25-2005 09:23
On the one hand, I certainly understand that you can enjoy the game version of something that you would detest in real life--I really would not want to be in a real shoot-em-up, but I can enjoy playing one.
On the other hand, regardless of the fantasy, you really need to ask yourself whether you are doing yourself any favors by engaging in it. Why would you feel good about yourself for fantasizing about attracting child molesters? Well, it takes all kinds, but I think this sort of thing could lead to regrets. |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
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01-25-2005 09:24
*passes around the popcorn*
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
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01-25-2005 09:25
Creepy I Say Creepy so's scoring the exact same as Tchaikovsky! _____________________
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Jessica Robertson
Registered User
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01-25-2005 09:25
Is it hurting my vision?
It should be illegal because of what it REPRESENTS and ENCOURAGES. That's why it should be illegal. |
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Liona Clio
Angel in Disguise
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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01-25-2005 09:27
*passes around the popcorn* *hands Zoe a lollypop* *gets into her Japanese schoolgirl outfit* Doo yoo gots anny candy fer me, Kris??? *bats eyes cutely* *^_^* _____________________
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
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01-25-2005 09:28
*gets into her Japanese schoolgirl outfit* Doo yoo gots anny candy fer me, Kris??? *bats eyes cutely* *^_^* lol. you're going to get in so much trouble, young lady  |
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Lance LeFay
is a Thug
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01-25-2005 09:29
Okay, one of the most appalling things about this post, that I haven't seen anyone cover yet, is your assertion that all anime fans like shota
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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01-25-2005 09:31
Okay, one of the most appalling things about this post, that I haven't seen anyone cover yet, is your assertion that all anime fans like shota Wait... Where was that stated? Had I seen that I woulda DEFINETLY had something to say about it... |
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Issarlk Chatnoir
Cross L. apologist.
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
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01-25-2005 09:32
There is absolutely nothing romantic about a grown man being with a boy. The poster was talking about fiction, I can easily imagine romantic stories between a grown man and a boy (note that is says nothing about my taste for it). Yes LL should ban this as can do nothing but give them bad press..... Many thing could give bad press to SL, I'm glad that SL is not so fond of banning things that would give them bad press ; because if so we would be in a R-rated game, or maybe PG. anyone that wants to play this type of fantasy out most likely has a yearning to do it in real life as well. This is you belief. Only <insert your higher being> knows if it's true. Me, I believe it isn't, and that people who play do not want to do it IRL except for some, of course. If you are an adult behind the screen why do you want to pretend you are a child seeking sex from adults? Fantasy? Why do you pretend to be a woman on SL (if you do) ? Or a furry? An elf? A vampire? Children are all about cooties and candy and should be.... I and my friend weren't about candy when we were 9 and up ; we were pretty obsessed about seeing a nude woman and having sex. children shouldn't have to worry about adults wanting sex from them. Good, because this isn't what this thread is about ; we are talking consenting adults on both side here. Saying its acceptable because you are actually an adult is disturbing given that most people that have and play out these fantasies will at some time in thier life consider actually doing it. This is just what you believe. I can assert things too: "Most people that have and play out these fantasies will never at anytime in thier life consider actually doing it." Personal fantasies are fine, everyone has them. The sexual exploitation of children, even simulated, is not. Why? I stand by my original post. Censorship for this kind of activity, absolutely. It should not be allowed. Seek Professional Help. I think censors should seek professional help. Two consenting adults can do anything they want as long as it's between them. You fantasy on SL is to dress in a santa clauss outfit and hump another player wearing an underage sheep AV while yodling ? Great! I don't care. And so should other imo. _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
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01-25-2005 09:33
But they are representations of children. You don't find this wrong? I wasn't talking about my personal preferences, merely legalities. And I could consider many things not to my taste, yet defend the right of consenting adults to partake of those activities. If a child is involved, you bet I would find it wrong and it enrages me that an innocent would be harmed in any way. But like it or not, adults have the right to create 'art" and roleplay. There have been famous artworks and literature featuring nudity and sexual situations with those under the age of 18, and I can't say that those should never have been created. Humans are sexual animals, even those not considered adults by our modern society. That will never change. Education, strong penalties for predators(say impalement and flaying) and open communication with children are the best precautions against child pronography or child abuse, not censorship or moral judgements against consenting adults. _____________________
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