a Newbie with a Kid avvie

...walks into a mature bar.
I've read some posts about a "teen grid" let it be known now that I'm not talking about that in anyway shape or form, I'm talking about current SL.
I've read some posts on "porn definitions" and let it be known that any sexual things I am talking about are with our 3D characters and no real life people.
I've read posts on "faking your age to get into SL" and let it be known that we are take the assumption that everyone playing SL is at least 18 and that this is the age of legal maturity. Now on to the question.

As a newbie with a kid avvie, I find it amusing to go to mature areas and try out anims when no one is around. Also I go dancing in the corner of mature clubs because it's fun. and there are usually raffles going. However some people have a problem with the various comments I make that have to do with prostituting my child avvie. I always respond that while child porn with real humans is sick, its better that people who like this stuff get it with a fake child played by an adult than ruining a real kid's life. I've yet to actually participate in SL sex, but this is my validation. Also I'd like to point out that within SL there are alot of anime fans and a genre of anime called "shota yaoi" is about young boys engaging in romantic relationships with men and these stories are written with the target audience of women and girls. Shota, these are drawings not photographs, (and you dont need a live model to draw this, not once you know basic human anatomy) is an acceptable form of romance literature in Japan and also one of my personal favorite genres of art.

The questions:1) I was told there was an article somewhere about child porn in SL, if you have the link please post it. 2) Personal preference aside, I believe that child avvies are allowed to engage in sex anims with adult avvies in SL, no? 3) If you read the disclaimer paragraph (first one), what is your opinion: should LL ban this or not?

My answer for number 3: they shouldn't ban it. If there is anyone on SL who is into this, here is a warning that not all child avvies want to play that way, even if they joke about it. Its best to approach normally. We are adults behind the screen, sooner or later the hints will be taken or the pick-up lines recognized and responded to according to each player's preference.

Also let me say this to anyone who plays as a child avvie: children are not all about cooties and candy. Real kids have alot more going on in their heads, I know, I was a kid not so long ago. If a person approaches you with sexual ambitions, I dont think its right to report them only because your avvie is childlike-- unless its true harrassment, tell them no and they should bug off.

Discuss away, help a (somewhat well articulated) newbie out.

It's my understanding that even simulating child sex acts with computer graphics is illegal in the US. I may be completely off on this but it is a very fine line you are playing with.

If it's illegal in the US then you cannot use the SL TOS as a shield.

I'm not using a shield. I'm very open about how I feel about this subject. No actual children are being harmed and for argument's sake I could just say "I'm a short adult avvie with underdeveloped shoulders and hips, I'm not a kid avvie so I can participate in SL sex because though my avvie looks physically immature and underdeveloped I'm going to say I'm an adult avvie"

care to elaborate or...?

Sorry...I kind of take the view that it's similar to the "I only DOWNLOAD child porn, so I'm not ACTUALLY hurting a child". Encouraging, in any shape or form, exploitation of kids, is to MY mind....sick. I'd argue that anyone INTO child sex is NOT going to say to themselves "oh this is great, I can indulge my fantasy here and not abuse REAL children". I'll lay my money on them doing so AND carrying on downloading kiddie porn.
As I said...MY opinion.

I for one don't assume for a second that you are what you claim to be, and neither will the legal authorities. You should consider that.

Are you speaking about me in particular or about the disclaimer statement that I'm using the hypothetical ideal situation that everyone here is 18 and over?

while on the subject: i don't need to convince you of my age and gender because there is no definate proof that i can give, but I am female, and i am 19 years of age. I do remember my thoughts and actions from age 10 (the approx. age of my male avvie) and I play in character accordingly. These thoughts included what I'm talking about in this post, so I personally don't find it strange that my child avvie would say and do sexual things. If you don't remember being 10 and the stress of having a crush on an older person at that age, knowing that it is socially unacceptable to have anything to do with them, then you might not understand what a real 10 year old feels sometimes.

I agree that your opinion is valid in that it is yours and I will not argue against it. Am I near the mark when I sum it up with: "anything in anyway that can be possibly construed as child sex even if both participants are in reality adults is wrong." However I had other questions there. Did you want to answer them too or...?

How do we know you aren't a cop trolling for pedophiles?

Or that you don't have some sick agenda?

Regretably, no. It was tried... oh... a year or two ago, but unfortunatly it failed.

I think a cop trolling for child molesteres is a sick agenda... just kidding.
There is no way to know. There is know way to know that if I played an adult avvie escort dressed as a little school girl if there is some old wrinkled guy playing a young studly avvie jerking off thinking about little school girls while we were in a mature dungeon or something.

by the way, i edit my past posts sometimes in order not to do unnecessary bumping, maybe it was edited while you were replying. i haven't edited the original post at all.

We ran a piece on a similar avi at the Second Life Herald some time ago. (The avi was not at the Herald, the piece was.) Fortunately, the lead sentence was Everyone knows that Child Pornography is illegal and everyone *should* know that it is wrong. That said, beware the pics.

You can never assume in a 3d envioronment that the people you are dealing with are above the age of 18 even if that is the games age to enter.



Dancing around in a mature club as a a child avatar is one thing ....saying that its better for someone who likes child porn is better getting it from a fake child is a pathetic statement of apathy. You can't validate one perversion with another. Just because the japanese find it acceptable to draw grown men with children doesn't make it romantic literature....it makes it what it is ....child pornography. There is absolutely nothing romantic about a grown man being with a boy.



Yes LL should ban this as can do nothing but give them bad press.....anyone that wants to play this type of fantasy out most likely has a yearning to do it in real life as well.



If you are an adult behind the screen why do you want to pretend you are a child seeking sex from adults?



Children are all about cooties and candy and should be....children shouldn't have to worry about adults wanting sex from them. Saying its acceptable because you are actually an adult is disturbing given that most people that have and play out these fantasies will at some time in thier life consider actually doing it.


I'd stick to the normal newb questions like how can I make money.

You know, I just read in Psychology Today that funding for sex research is pretty much vanishing because the more we research sex, the more we find out that kids actually have sexual responses/thoughts/feelings. People don't like that idea, so they stop funding the sex researchers.

Zoe Rosencrans, you've for some reason decided to ask a question that gets some people in alternative sexuality forums hot-n-bothered (in the angry, pitchfork wielding way) on a forum that is decidedly less open minded about such things. Why, I have no idea, but whatever floats your boat!

That said, I simply view what you describe as the slightly-less-than-ultimate in age play (the ultimate being somewhat more dangerous, real-time, but still only involving adults, but I won't get into it). You're an adult (presumably, since you're in SL) PRETENDING to be a kid.

If I pretend to be a cowboy, and my (imaginary) girlfriend pretends to be an indian, and we have hot, steamy sex, that's perfectly ok. It doesn't actually MAKE me a cowboy, and it doesn't make her an indian. We're still Homeland Securities' bitches, no matter how much we pretend otherwise. I know of thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of other people who are into age play, where one or both of the consenting adults pretends to be another age, usually someone under the age of 18. That doesn't MAKE them a kid.

Since no ACTUAL child is involved, and it's just pixels on a screen, and you're (presumably) an adult, there's nothing wrong with it.

(There are, in certain cases, actual theraputic advantages to such play for some people.)



If that's the case, then what about every avatar who's ever had sex in SL? If they've had sex with an adult AV that's actually a kid, and they didn't know it, is that wrong?

There is a big difference between an actually adult 'playing' a child and a child.

For instance,

though it may not be everyone's cup of tea (or piece of pie), if I decide play Daddy/little girl with my lover, it is play between to consenual adults. I, in no way, shape, or form resemble a child. And there is NO child involvement, EVER. It's the discipline, control, etc. that is being explored, NOT the idea of having sex with a child.

Whereas having a child av participating in sex, is tantamount to pictures of children having sex. Where's the harm you ask - it's just an image? Well it's just an image - an IMAGE of a CHILD doing acts that children should NOT being doing. By allowing even images of a computer generated simulation of a child to be made of sexual acts, you are giving an okay to the idea that sex with kids is something that can be tolerated.


Forgive me for being preachy/antagonistic/etc. about this topic but I do feel you will find yourself in heaps of trouble if you continue with this idea.

I believe this is your opinion. So very absolutely completely your opinion its taking some measure of my energy to not flame you. I'm sorry, its not child pornography and it is your opinion that it is not romantic.


beastiality and hardcore sex dungeons can also give them bad press. while anything is possible, and i am willing to concede that people who enjoy the pixel based activities may also be into the real thing, it is also entirely possible that they are not.





I am saddened that you believe that children are such mindless conforming imbeciles... I am saddened that you have no idea what its like to be under 18. No kid will tell you if you ask, but there is alot more that goes on in their heads that will ever be recognized by "grown ups".

Also: I have met physically immature and underdeveloped avvies that say they are adult avvies who are short, not kid avvies at all. If they participate in SL sex how is it different? Just because they "say so"? I'm being honest, my avvie looks like a kid, my avvie is a kid. I am an adult and the size sliders in the avvie preferences let me choose the shape I want. To truly prevent this, they would have to remove any and all options that let you simulate your avvies' stage of physical development. They would have 1 standard adult female and one standard adult male and only clothes, hair, eye color and skin color are modifiable.

Hmmm, isn't that over There ?????

So this is how you rationalize child pornography? We were all kids once. I don't recall wanting to be molested by an adult.

I've recieved my answer to my most important question and that was the link to the article about this.
I was very disappointed. I had my hopes up for something intelligent and recognizable as news commentary but it came up short. By the by, the pictures were horrid and overmuch to illustrate the point. I'm done with this thread because it has served my purpose. If you'd like to iM me in-game about it feel free to do so without flames.

Thanks for your opinions and time taken out to reply, I do value them even if I dont agree with them. As for my child avvie joining in the pixel-skin business? I have no idea what I may do.

edit: I posted this before seeing Ingrid's reply. I'm not justifying anything. I did not want to be molested as a child because a kid doesn't see it as molestation when they have a crush. Of course every 12 yr old girl is a perv who is in love with the Backstreet Boys and who want to marry them and have their kids. Yeah... riiiiiiight.

That makes no sense.

I thought girls matured faster than boys ?? This thread would seem to prove that wrong. 19 you say ?

... neither did your original post. I said in a rather roundabout and cynical manner that according to your orignal reply to my post, every 12 year old girl who is in "love" with a Backstreet Boy must be a perv.

i'm seriously leaving this forum... i can see this will soon turn into a flame war about semantics, grammar and sentence mechanics and everyones perceptions of "The Maturing Human Species: Health Class 101"

Do you not realize that everyone in this forum was a child at one point?

Feeding a person's desire to have sex with a real life kid by letting them have sex with a child AV is crazy. People who want to have sex with children have some serious issues they need to deal with by a professional. Catering to this type of person is not only reaffirming that it is okay to have these thoughts , but may make them long for it in RL. When a person has sex with an AV child they are not thinking in terms of having sex with a fake digital respresentation of a child , but of a REAL child. If you believe this is healthy or okay I truly believe you are mistaken and may need help yourself.

My point is simple: If you get off on having sex with a child , even if its an AV one between two adults because you have some type of child sex fantasy you need help.

You can't argue against that. If you do you're a pediphile , plain and simple no matter how you try to turn it around. Maybe not an acting pediphile, but inside you are a pediphile

*edited for typo

I don't think the flame war will be anything about semantics, grammar or sentence mechanics. I think the flames will burn brightly on the obvious fuel you ignited them with.