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Marker Dinova
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01-25-2005 07:27
LOLITA!! :eek:
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I never thought we were so similar :eek:
Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-25-2005 07:28
From: Zoe Rosencrans
i can see this will soon turn into a flame war about semantics, grammar and sentence mechanics and everyones perceptions of "The Maturing Human Species: Health Class 101"


No... it's about child porn.
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Patrick Playfair
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Figures
01-25-2005 07:34
From: Zoe Rosencrans
I've recieved my answer to my most important question and that was the link to the article about this..


That figures....

:rolleyes:
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-25-2005 07:44
well when i see this kind of post i can only giggle, in fact i can only laugh how pityfull and one way minded are some peoples here

looks like you forgot your childhood, or you lived surrounded by nuns (and even nuns can give you sexual tough)

the problem isnt about child porn, its a relation between two consensual adults, some peoples just find the picture disturbing and, as usual want to impose it to all the community under the the glorious holy shield of the child abuse

i see this reason being hold high again and again to justify more and more stupid acts of sensorship and looks like some brains here need some cells implants

Humanity is supposed to evolve, hey childs arent just screaming packs of meat until they turn to man or woman magically at the age of 18 or 19 or 21 or whatever it is in your country

Strat by sweeping in front of your home before sueing your neightbors because you dont like seeing them fucking together behind their smoked windows.

pity pity ...
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Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 07:52
From: Zoe Rosencrans
I believe this is your opinion. So very absolutely completely your opinion its taking some measure of my energy to not flame you. I'm sorry, its not child pornography and it is your opinion that it is not romantic.


Are you fucking warped or what? There is absolutely nothing romantic about a grown man haveing sex with a child....unless of course you are a child molestor.


From: someone
beastiality and hardcore sex dungeons can also give them bad press. while anything is possible, and i am willing to concede that people who enjoy the pixel based activities may also be into the real thing, it is also entirely possible that they are not.


I have yet to hear or see beastiality in SL...if you are refering to furries well that is something wholly different. Either way 2 wrongs don't make a right




I
From: someone
am saddened that you believe that children are such mindless conforming imbeciles... I am saddened that you have no idea what its like to be under 18. No kid will tell you if you ask, but there is alot more that goes on in their heads that will ever be recognized by"grown ups".


I was under 18 once ...and a friend of mine when he was 12 was lolested by some sick fuck who thought it was romantic to be with a child. Being a grown up we realize the danger that a child does not....and I seriously think after reading your bullshit that you want more than pretend sex with a child.


From: someone

Also: I have met physically immature and underdeveloped avvies that say they are adult avvies who are short, not kid avvies at all. If they participate in SL sex how is it different? Just because they "say so"? I'm being honest, my avvie looks like a kid, my avvie is a kid. I am an adult and the size sliders in the avvie preferences let me choose the shape I want. To truly prevent this, they would have to remove any and all options that let you simulate your avvies' stage of physical development. They would have 1 standard adult female and one standard adult male and only clothes, hair, eye color and skin color are modifiable.


You aren't asking if its ok if you look underdeveloped you were talking specifically about being a child AV. I have met and know several people who wear child av's they do so for fun not for sex.
Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 07:55
From: Kyrah Abattoir
well when i see this kind of post i can only giggle, in fact i can only laugh how pityfull and one way minded are some peoples here

looks like you forgot your childhood, or you lived surrounded by nuns (and even nuns can give you sexual tough)

the problem isnt about child porn, its a relation between two consensual adults, some peoples just find the picture disturbing and, as usual want to impose it to all the community under the the glorious holy shield of the child abuse

i see this reason being hold high again and again to justify more and more stupid acts of sensorship and looks like some brains here need some cells implants

Humanity is supposed to evolve, hey childs arent just screaming packs of meat until they turn to man or woman magically at the age of 18 or 19 or 21 or whatever it is in your country

Strat by sweeping in front of your home before sueing your neightbors because you dont like seeing them fucking together behind their smoked windows.

pity pity ...



The original poster was looking for consent to play at sex as a child av basically and they stated that certain japenese anime depicting men with children is romantic.... So do you agree that this act is romantic? I would hate to censor you dumbass.
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-25-2005 07:56
i think that "underage" looking av is totally acceptable

as long as nobody give me precise rules that dictate what looks like a child and what looks like a lolita style adult (and size dont matter)

you havent seen my very cute underage av shape in latex outfit , its really cute ^_^
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Moleculor Satyr
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01-25-2005 07:59
From: Talen Morgan
I have yet to hear or see beastiality in SL...if you are refering to furries well that is something wholly different.


How so?

I realize that furries get a ton of crap slung at them for "yiffing" or whatnot, and don't really like to discuss the particulars with others, so I might be stepping on a few toes here, but I've gotta ask this question:
  1. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of an) animal. Has (av) sex with another adult.
  2. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of a) kid. Has (av) sex with another adult.


How are these two things different? On the one hand we have adults pretending to be animals. On the other, adults pretending to be kids. They are different how?
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Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 08:00
From: Kyrah Abattoir
i think that "underage" looking av is totally acceptable

as long as nobody give me precise rules that dictate what looks like a child and what looks like a lolita style adult (and size dont matter)

you havent seen my very cute underage av shape in latex outfit , its really cute ^_^



Having an underage looking av is one thing dressing it sexy is neither here nor there....but when the original poster starts mixing that with romanticism of adults being with children that is a completely different issue.
Pleze Playfair
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01-25-2005 08:00
From: Kyrah Abattoir
well when i see this kind of post i can only giggle, in fact i can only laugh how pityfull and one way minded are some peoples here

looks like you forgot your childhood, or you lived surrounded by nuns (and even nuns can give you sexual tough)

the problem isnt about child porn, its a relation between two consensual adults, some peoples just find the picture disturbing and, as usual want to impose it to all the community under the the glorious holy shield of the child abuse

i see this reason being hold high again and again to justify more and more stupid acts of sensorship and looks like some brains here need some cells implants

Humanity is supposed to evolve, hey childs arent just screaming packs of meat until they turn to man or woman magically at the age of 18 or 19 or 21 or whatever it is in your country

Strat by sweeping in front of your home before sueing your neightbors because you dont like seeing them fucking together behind their smoked windows.

pity pity ...


Even though it isn't technically child porn the disturbing fact is that an adult (or two) are getting off to the thought of having sex with children. I think its hilarious how you can justify this or blow it off as no big deal. Do you have children? Is the thought that your son or daughter being the sexual fantasy of an adult okay with you?

18,19,21 being a magic number? Would you prefer it be 5,6,7 years old? The arguement that children have sexual thoughts is completely a moot point. It holds no water in a discussion about adults feeling sexual attraction with children.

Yes a couple can explore their sexuality , but with anything there are limits as to when it becomes an unhealthy fantasy and what probably shouldn't be mentioned to all of us and pushed off as being okay.

Censorship?!?! LOL WTF! :confused: disagreeing with you is not censorship.
Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-25-2005 08:03
From: Moleculor Satyr


How are these two things different? On the one hand we have adults pretending to be animals. On the other, adults pretending to be kids. They are different how?


I believe the representation of adults having sex with children is wrong. Even if it is a representation. There is too much at stake to condone it.
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Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 08:04
From: Moleculor Satyr
How so?

I realize that furries get a ton of crap slung at them for "yiffing" or whatnot, and don't really like to discuss the particulars with others, so I might be stepping on a few toes here, but I've gotta ask this question:
  1. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of an) animal. Has (av) sex with another adult.
  2. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of a) kid. Has (av) sex with another adult.


How are these two things different? On the one hand we have adults pretending to be animals. On the other, adults pretending to be kids. They are different how?



Read what the person said....if two adults want to dress up as bears and fuck sure why not...they might even have an inclination to do so in real life....more power to em.

This person justified it by saying it may keep a molestor from veiwing child porn.....


Most people that act out fantasies do so for a reason....they want that fantasy....some go as far as to move to the next level.....sorry man I don't don't but into it and wonder about anyone that finds this shit romantic.
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-25-2005 08:06
From: Pleze Playfair
disagreeing with you is not censorship.


of course but wanting to leash peoples that wout to play these fantasies in a totally virtual world IS sensorship

what about peoples that in RL dress like schoolgirl for sex?
what about cute japanese 20 years old girl that play and dress up as 14 - 16 years old girls?

same thing
as long as both sides are adult minds i DONT CARE

if a RL true reconised children is involved then there is a problem

but only in this case
the rest is just shaking the pedopornography flag to remove what you dont want to see
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Zoe Rosencrans
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01-25-2005 08:12
From: Talen Morgan
Having an underage looking av is one thing dressing it sexy is neither here nor there....but when the original poster starts mixing that with romanticism of adults being with children that is a completely different issue.


i try to leave but they keep reeling me back in...
i will defend myself. i did not say that in reality an actual real live man and an actual real live boy in a sexual relationship is romantic. i did say that shota yaoi manga is a form of romance literature that i enjoy.
i refuse to respond to your personal attacks in a previous post that included profanity directed against me.
there is no proof i can give of my life, my identity, or my actions. it is between me and (insert holy supreme being of choice) if I tell the truth here or not. i have not nor will i ever condone or engage in sexual acts with a real live child. looking at rather surreal drawings in a manga is not equivalent to me. you have no idea about my childhood, nor will i divulge it's details to you.
i am not asking permission, i do not need to ask. i will continue to live my second life as it rolls by regardless. it seems all i have to say is "i'm just a short avvie not a kid avvie" and all will be well with the world. hypocrisy. i'm a kid avvie, you see me as one and i see myself as one. end.
Moleculor Satyr
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01-25-2005 08:14
From: Talen Morgan
Read what the person said....if two adults want to dress up as bears and fuck sure why not...they might even have an inclination to do so in real life....more power to em.

This person justified it by saying it may keep a molestor from veiwing child porn.....


Most people that act out fantasies do so for a reason....they want that fantasy....some go as far as to move to the next level.....sorry man I don't don't but into it and wonder about anyone that finds this shit romantic.


Actually, I did read what the original poster said. And I read what you said. And I asked a question, which you have ignored.

As for "more porn" == "less sex crimes", the original poster does have scientific research to back up their point (here's one of several examples). The generally accepted theory is that by allowing people to act out their fantasies in safe manners, they no longer have the urge to act them out in ways that may be harmful to others.
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01-25-2005 08:16
From: Kyrah Abattoir
of course but wanting to leash peoples that wout to play these fantasies in a totally virtual world IS sensorship

what about peoples that in RL dress like schoolgirl for sex?
what about cute japanese 20 years old girl that play and dress up as 14 - 16 years old girls?

same thing
as long as both sides are adult minds i DONT CARE

if a RL true reconised children is involved then there is a problem

but only in this case
the rest is just shaking the pedopornography flag to remove what you dont want to see



You are assuming that everone in Second Life is an adult....we all know better. Acting out sexual fantasies is a part of life.....wanting to act out sexual fantasies pretending you are a child is difficult for most to digest in this day and age...but then telling people that it can be romantic and children think in this way is borderline. There is a teen grid that will be opening soon and I'd hate to think how this could play out.

Most people that have sexual fantasies not only want to play them but would like to see them come true....my wanting to have sex with every playboy playmate in a weeks period would be a fantasy ...and if there was a way to actually do it...well they would be burrying me with a smile on my face and a dent in the coffin about midsection. What fantasies do you have? Would you like to see them come true? Now think about someone that fantasises about playing at being with children....sure they may want to play it out in real life with another adult acting....but it can also lead to someone wanting to act this fantasy out with a child.

The original poster said we obviously don't know a childs mind...and that certain literature on the subject was romantic....that to me suggests something very disturbing.
Jessica Robertson
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01-25-2005 08:16
Oh.My.God.

Censorship? For this kind of crap, YES!

Two Words: Get Help

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Pleze Playfair
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01-25-2005 08:20
From: Kyrah Abattoir
of course but wanting to leash peoples that wout to play these fantasies in a totally virtual world IS sensorship

what about peoples that in RL dress like schoolgirl for sex?
what about cute japanese 20 years old girl that play and dress up as 14 - 16 years old girls?

same thing
as long as both sides are adult minds i DONT CARE

if a RL true reconised children is involved then there is a problem

but only in this case
the rest is just shaking the pedopornography flag to remove what you dont want to see


The difference however is that a woman dressing in children's clothes is different than someone looking and dressing like a child as well. Anyone who is attracted to the attributes of a child is sick in my opinion. That is my point. I have no problems with an adult dressing up in clothing that makes them look innocent , but the poster was talking about being the child completely in looks and not only in dress.
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-25-2005 08:21
oh be sure i have very harsh fantasies too, the kind i would never do in real life, probably because it would cause death to me ^_^

but i dunno who the more need a good therapy

someone like you afraid by other's fantasies or someone that scare you by her fantasies?
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01-25-2005 08:26
From: Kyrah Abattoir
but i dunno who the more need a good therapy

someone like you afraid by other's fantasies or someone that scare you by her fantasies?


No one is afraid. Purpetuating images of adults having sex with children is wrong regardless of what platform it's being done on.
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01-25-2005 08:26
From: Kyrah Abattoir
oh be sure i have very harsh fantasies too, the kind i would never do in real life, probably because it would cause death to me ^_^

but i dunno who the more need a good therapy

someone like you afraid by other's fantasies or someone that scare you by her fantasies?


When it comes to sex with children I AM scared of fantasies like this. Anyone who can try to justify a child as a sexual object is not right in the head.
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01-25-2005 08:26
From: Zoe Rosencrans
i try to leave but they keep reeling me back in...
i will defend myself. i did not say that in reality an actual real live man and an actual real live boy in a sexual relationship is romantic. i did say that shota yaoi manga is a form of romance literature that i enjoy.


So you basically enjoy animated child porn....yeah that makes the world of difference.

From: someone

i refuse to respond to your personal attacks in a previous post that included profanity directed against me.
there is no proof i can give of my life, my identity, or my actions. it is between me and (insert holy supreme being of choice) if I tell the truth here or not. i have not nor will i ever condone or engage in sexual acts with a real live child. looking at rather surreal drawings in a manga is not equivalent to me. you have no idea about my childhood, nor will i divulge it's details to you.
i am not asking permission, i do not need to ask. i will continue to live my second life as it rolls by regardless. it seems all i have to say is "i'm just a short avvie not a kid avvie" and all will be well with the world. hypocrisy. i'm a kid avvie, you see me as one and i see myself as one. end.


Isn't much more to say I guess....I hope LL pays attention to this particular thread though it may help them in setting up the teen grid.
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01-25-2005 08:28
From: Moleculor Satyr
How so?

I realize that furries get a ton of crap slung at them for "yiffing" or whatnot, and don't really like to discuss the particulars with others, so I might be stepping on a few toes here, but I've gotta ask this question:
  1. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of an) animal. Has (av) sex with another adult.
  2. Adult dresses up as (or builds an avatar of a) kid. Has (av) sex with another adult.


How are these two things different? On the one hand we have adults pretending to be animals. On the other, adults pretending to be kids. They are different how?


A couple points.

In general (There are always a few exceptions), Furry AV's aren't "Animals", per say, any more than, oh... A Faerie AV is a butterfly because it has wings and antenna. Furries are sentient, adult (Well, normally) humanoids that have some animalistic features and traits. Your a DnD'er, so think of a furry as a Gnoll. A human having sex with a Gnoll may be disturbing, but it's not beastality just because a gnoll happens to look like the bastard child of Ross Perot and a cocker spaniel.

Now, if someone had sex with someone wearing Cubey's zebra AV, yes, that would be beastality, I guess, or at least VR-Beastiality.

Second, even as disturbing as true beastiality may be, at least basicly there it's just an issue of one adult doing something very disturbing that essentialy involves only himself. (Well, ok, there is the issue of cruelty to the animal, I suppose). There is no child being harmed, nor is their (Since we are talking about virtual stuff) the mental connection with said concepts. It's just... strange, and distasteful, not harmful or potentialy so.
Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 08:29
From: Kyrah Abattoir
oh be sure i have very harsh fantasies too, the kind i would never do in real life, probably because it would cause death to me ^_^

but i dunno who the more need a good therapy

someone like you afraid by other's fantasies or someone that scare you by her fantasies?


not afraid about any fantasy....I get angered though by asshats that have fantasies about children. Although you don't act out your harsh fantasies others do....just the other day I saw a pic on a website of someone cutting their penis off becaue it turned them on....hey if thats your thing go at it....but children are a different story.
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-25-2005 08:31
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
No one is afraid. Purpetuating images of adults having sex with children is wrong regardless of what platform it's being done on.


its where my perception of things and yours cannot match, because its not an adult behind the child AV, so you must agree you dont care if its an adult or not, but only the picture disturb you, and then it has again nothing to do with pedophilia.

and as its a consensual relation, there is no sense of rape or anything, wich is the pedophilia problem (well for some peoples its more because they believe childrens have nothing to do with sex)

looks like its a pointless debate
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