Rant: About respect of other people's effort and people that can't mind own business.

Forgive me in advance for the incoming rant, but i really have to let some steam off...

Today i was designing and minding my own business (like someone should really learn to do) that a linden comes to me telling me that someone filled abuse reports on my cars about trademark infringment of Nissan and Toyota marks and thet i should remove them.
Now, everyone that knows me at least a little or that tried my cars at least once knows very well how much effort and work i put into each one. They are the fruit of months of prim, texture and scripting work, and i'm really proud of the result.
Now, i managed to settle with just removing the bigger marks from the display signs, without actually modifying the cars themselves, but without going into LL wanting to cover their backs from possible (possible? umh..... not so likely) sues from real life car companies (even if in my humble opinions they should adress MUCH bigger game related issues before even going into this), i find it discouraging to see that there are people that can mind their own business so few or that have so much time on their useless hands, to go around and fill abuse reports on this.
Some people should really learn to mind their own business, because i really don't see any other reason to fill an abuse report on such a matter if not just for being low and trying to damage someone's effort and buiness.
I really have no idea on who might have done this, and i actually would be curious to know who are the low and cowardish individuals that did, but i wure won't stop working on my cars, and i believe other car and vehicle makers (and anyone else than makes beautiful replicas of real life items) who put the same EFFORT and PASSION in their work won't. Such replicas enrich the environment we live our second life in, and i won't let anyone discourage me.
I definately think the lindens should give more attention to serious abuse matters (while people that go around shooting others are just told "bad boy!" and sent back to play) instead of giving attention to cowardish idiots that fly around the grid nitpicking on people's work just for the purpose of damaging them (THIS is actually a polished form of griefing).
I for one, will not stop my work, because i know how many people appreciate what i do, and i love it myself. Will not let cowardish people without a life of their own stop me, now nor ever. To them i can only say one thing: Get a life of your own instead of trying to mess with what other people do. And if i'm not the only one that has had this kind of peoplems i hope the others won't get discouraged as well, people like that, whose only purpose is to grief, don't even deserve our attention, and honestly shouldn't deserve the lindens' attention (that should be aimed at more important matters, such as banning griefers or making the whole place less buggy) as well.

Just tell the Lindens "no".

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Yes, and?
Should we stop making replicas of real life items? I really don't think so. Secondlife is FULL of them, they require effort and skill to make, and i really doubt an high portion of SL's content, alongside with the creators effort, have to be removed due to the beahvioir some griefers that have too much time on their hands. And no, don't try to persuade me they go around filling abuse reports to help LL or second life, i don't (and i doubt anyone would) buy it. Sorry.

(and maybe you should post things in one post only, just to be as nitpicky as you are)

If you engage in blatant trademark infringement, you are basically making trouble for yourself, and have no grounds to complain when someone asks you to stop. My advice to you is to stop using others' trademarks and design something unique on your own.

Sure, when Nissan or Toyota will ask me to stop maybe i will, but when some griefer with too much time on his hands does, well, he can go to hell, and i will make him a custom car for the trip.

A big part of Second Life is about fullfilling one's dreams in virtuality, and how many people have between their dreams to be able to drive a costly sport car that they will never be able to afford in real life (or to have it in their garage, since not much more can be really done in SL, and it's to adress this than the lindens should aim their efforts)?

You could just email someone at Nissan and ask if it's ok to use their logo on a non-profit model of the car that you're making, a lot of companies are pretty decent about fansites and whatnot, once you have permission then all will be cool.

It's worth a shot anyway.

PS where is your business, and do you do a model of the Nissan 200SX (Silvia) s13 hatchback?

Sorry, I found the second post after the first. I've not offered any personal opinion on this issue. I was just trying to point you to Linden posts that would explain why this person may have reported you.

You don't know me from Adam, so don't call me nitpicky.

It's in Anton, you can find the exact location in my profile picks, but my range is pretty limited in numbers for now, given the time that takes to make each one of them (and looks like some griefers have absolutely no respect for this). The only Nissan i have is the Fairlady Z in the normal, Roadster and Nismo S-Tune version.



Sorry for calling you nitpicky, but honestly this whole matter upset me quite a bit, so i guesss i just need to chill a bit.
Anyway, it's kind of hard to believe someone went around to report my cars just because of that, and if they did they STILL need to learn and respect other people hard work and effort instead of trying to damage them.
There is no other reason for someone to report something that absolutely causes no harm to anyone if not to damage the person that makes it. And that is absolutely low.
How many real life car replicas are there around the grid? Is there anyone that honestly think they cause any harm or shouldn't be made?
The only ones that could really complain about them are the real life car companies, and if they'd ever come to second life to create a market of their own here i would be more than happy to leave the field, or even better, offer them my services

I am sorry but I think you are wrong. I personally own, a mustang, an escalade, Shir's cars and many other items that are "REPLICAS" of well known items in RL. They are KNOWN to be replica's and designers that make them work hard to give the SL community what they think they will like. We have transformers, Hello Kitty's, Sesame Street Characters, Replicated clothing and sports wear and much much more. Maybe we should take everything out of world and let you all just walk around with newbie items and just tell all the designers to take a break from doing what they love.

This is a GAME and people buy here what they have, or want in RL. If you are so bored and pathetic to report such items you really need to find a new hobby.

I agree with the poster that said to get permission from the companies to use their logos or make the cars without the logos. I don't think a car company is going to worry about their logo coming up in a game, it's not like buying a SL car would hurt the real car industry at all. If anything it could be good advertising for the companies!

I agree with daphne..the same thing happened to my boyfriend a few months ago about the playboy Logo he was ordered by a linden to have it removed or they where going to delete his items which had the logo on it..shit now i see lots of people using the same logo lol funny

Honestly i would find more useful spending my time making more cars (and clothes) than wasting it (alongside with the time of some real life employee of such companies that for sure has more important matters to attend) sending messages that won't even reach a level high enough to have any usefullness.
I tried many times when i used to make add-on planes for FS2004, and of course it was just wasted time, no airline ever bothered to answer (and of course none ever gave me the slightest problem as well), and honestly i don't blame them at all.

Shiryu - I respect the many hours that you've put into your creations and I have particularly enjoyed your driving chronicles here on the forums. Indeed, you make some of the best autos in SL.

However - there are a couple of things that I'd like to point out:

- by selling your creations using a known, trademarked brand - you are also not respecting the hard work and dedication of those creative folks at Nissan, Toyota, etc. They spent many hours and millions of dollars to create and market those products. Should they not be afforded the same respect?

- as others have mentioned, I doubt it would be a big issue if the items were not for sale. Because we can trade our Linden dollars for real currency, anyone who sells a product in SL that has RL trademarks on it is breaking the TOS.

Although I'm playing the devil's advocate by bringing this up, IMHO I think that big corporations are flexing thier legal muscle just a bit too much over virtual use of thier logos. If I were head of Toyota - I'd see it more as guerilla marketing than profiting off of my trademark.

The problem is that your trademark infringement is going to bring down the heat on all of us.

At some point, people will sue SL and their residents just because of a couple of bad apples.

Better just not use them.

... Alternatively.. if there is a logo on vehicle.. just take off the logo, or even do a play on words with it...

If it's the trademarked logo they're having troubles with - remove the logo and retain the vehicle as a virtual replica.


Siggy.

That's exactly because i respect and love their work (i own a Toyota Celica GT4 in real life), that I make my replicas, the many have approached me asking me to make cars i don't like, know i work only on a very selected few models, because my replicas are exactly a way to show my love for my own dream cars.
I would NEVER ever think to make them if they could have even the smallest chance to give any damage to the respective companies, but fact is that they do not. The worst damage i can cause is to make their cars more popular in SL.

And yes, i could change the logos, but then they wouldn't be replica anymore, thus having no sense of being as a tribute to the real car, exactly like censored porn

Changing the logos would be simply and tastelessly copying someone else's work without giving him any credit. My cars are REPLICAS, i do them and mantaining the original logos give credit to the ones that designed them, while keeping the credit for other elements, like the scripting or the actual transposition from real to prims. I sure don't want to cheat people into thinking they are my own design.

In any case i agreed with the linden that i can keep the cars as they are, just can't make big signs using only the logos.
This post is only marginally about the lindens, that don't pose much of a problem. Is about people that can't respect other people's work and effort and go out of their way to report things that pose absolutely no damage or threat to themselves or anyone, just for the sake of damaging the makers. They are the real griefers.

I'd suggest marketing as/using logos of "Musashi Motors".

I'd also suggest looking into what constitutes Trademarks and the rights thereof. Unfortunately your arguments are unfounded, and based on personal feelings, not law. Understandable, yes -- to an extent. Defendable, no.

The net, SL (and no doubt myself) included are rife with trademark infringment.

But that is the problem right there. Linden Dollars have value because 3rd parties have assigned them value. There is nothing inherent in LL's policy that assigns a real world value to Linden Dollars. It is virtual barter.

What if Shiryu likes to make Toyotas and roleplay as a car salesman, but decides not to cash out for real dough?

If that is the case, then there is no difference in what he is doing vs. playing D&D with some paper and pen (except the knight and troll whatevers would have sweet rides).

So until everyone sees his income tax filings, showing of course how much money he has made off of his Toyotas, everyone should STFU loll fic haha.

This is why AR's for infringement should only be actionable if they originate from RL owners of the trademarks or their legal representatives.

If you are concerned that the president of Toyota doesn't play SL, then send a letter to him, not the Lindens.

Well although the abuse report is a bit much IMO, maybe the person that made it works for the company in question or something. Maybe they have been on the recieving end of your kind of image and trademark appropriation.

Also, what you are doing *is* 100% illegal so it's hard to work up a great deal of sympathy.

How hard is it to make a "Nossan" label or "Ditsun" or somethign that looks much like the original but is not illegal? You could do that in no time at all and solve the whole thing forever.

Madame MaracasLet me just say if you were making the jeans versus brand name. I'd take yours in a minute. I don't go for "brand name" in RL unless it is a quality thing and then obviosuly this is NOT the same ability as last time I checked my SL jeans didn't get holes in them. BUT in the same breath is I want teh delorian from back to the future then to hell I want it. Also when the copyrighters come down (if ever) look at it this way....those people might get burnt, sued, etc. You get to sit back and have yoru favorite alchy while sitting on teh beach in SL.