Feted Inner Core Issue: Your opinion?

"I thought you liked the interactions of the Lindens in world?"

Yes, I do, April. Very much.

coco

Will you miss them after they permaban you?

~Ulrika~

I just want to point out more contradiction.

On the favortisim issue, you claim special treatment. But let me point everyone to another thread started by Cocoanuts.

Cocoanuts praises the Lindens here.



But....but....but......you just claimed in this thread that it is bad for the community that we have such quick access to the dev. team. I mean I have an issue I have not been able to get resolved in weeks. I should be crying favoritism maybe.


I could go on and pick out about a million other contradictions I am finding by skimming all your post but I think I got my point across.

I'm well aware that is your campaign, Ulrika. I recognize the presumed logical underpinnings of it, also.

The fact that you are still here is incredible to me.

How dare you say "the fact that you are passing Prokofy's posts onto the forum despite his permanent ban?"

That is a complete and total lie, repeated for the umpteenth time now, and mostly by you.

You, who I sent a PM to last week, asking who you thought he was on the forums as an alt, when I thought he didn't have any. You replied, "I still think it's you!"

When you later posted something along those lines, I said, no, Ulrika, I am not his alt.

Then you said, "I meant that other thing!" I took that to mean you didn't want others to know you still thought I was his alt, so I saved your face for my apparent gaffe by posting, "Oh, THAT thing! You know I can't talk about that out loud!"

And I have kept up the face-saving fiction for you that you didn't really any longer believe that, even through this thread.

That's over now. Yes, Ulrika DID believe that, at least as late as last week.

Saying that I speak the words of anyone else, in any manner, is insulting, false, and speaks to my real life.

This TOTAL BULL about reacting hysterically to a person's views, then blaming that person for "creating turmoil" and thus they should be banned - that just ain't gonna fly, this time, Ulrika.

I'm going to say what I think DESPITE what kind of hysterical reaction I get to it.

Be grateful that I refuse to report people's posts, because I certainly have many times been tempted to report yours, and indeed, the forums would be a better place if you were not allowed to say these kinds of things.

But I'm not going to report your posts. If they get rid of that rule that makes banning from the forums mean banned from the game, then I might just change my old habits (never reporting anyone), at least in your case.

And regardless of what you say here, or what forum rules you consistently break, if the day comes when you get banned from here, and you get banned from the game as well - it will be me you have in your corner, working my head off to get you back in the game.

Meanwhile, STOP IT.

coco

P.S. Heck, I may not even wait till then. Why should I bother saving your asses? I can always work to get you back on the game after you're banned from the forums.

Meanwhile, while I'm busy working hard to follow Aimee's and April's and others' advice to ignore things and let them roll off my back ...

... Don't think I don't know that being called a NEUROTIC, Seth, and all the other total GARBAGE people on this forum indulge in every day is a personal attack.

Why should I not just report that? And, like, 50 other things in this thread alone?

Coco, tell me that the comments in this thread about you and your relationship with Prof aren't hurting you just a LITTLE. They could be true, or they couldn't be true -- frankly, I don't care either way.

What if someone came up with ABSOLUTE proof that you are in no way connected with Prof.

Would you not demand an apology? Would you NOT EXPECT one from someone who made a false accusation about you?

If you say, "No, I would not expect an apology..." then you are simply stating the fact that "You have have a spoon."

(Edited, I just read Coco's response above... there is a spoon!)

Therapy is soooo entertaining. But who is therapy-ing who, here?

For God's sake Coco, report the person. Are you waiting for more lies and poison? Do us all a favour - send an AR.

Alexa

Lynn, I don't understand the spoon stuff. Unless you mean, I reacted to the GODAWFUL stuff Ulrika just posted.

If Pathfinder and/or others think I owe them an apology - NOT because anyone here thinks so - then I would, of course, apologize, simply along the lines of the way any friends would, as I do all the time irl.

But I don't believe they think I do owe them an apology. I think they understand the point I keep trying to make. And I think they realize this isn't good for SL. And they don't realize it because I said so here in this thread.

They realize it because they know that you can't have a growing company rife with all these POSSIBILITIES for being accused of favoritism, particularly when the solution for them is so simple. They realize it because they are being criticized for it by more than just Prok, or just me, and in more places than on this forum. I am sure they see it as a growing PR problem.

And the solutions are hella simple. Robin just solved this particular one, in fact.

As I said before, I have every confidence that the Lindens understand where I am coming from, and know that the criticisms I make are constructive criticism, in accord with our mutual aim of making LL bigger, better, and more successful than ever.

coco

P.S. I'll think about it, Alexa. Could be that my old ways just won't work in these forums.

P.S. To answer your question, Lynn, yes, I would expect an apology.

P.S. Beau, I've explained it the best I can.

I'm really sorry Coco, but the FIC just had an emergency meeting and we've decided that you DO owe Bedazzled an apology for the innuendo's stated in this thread about them.

The vote was taken, and passed with a 2,000,001 to 1 vote in favor of the apology.

If you don't apologize, I'm sorry to state that you will remain a FIC-OFF and never have an innie.

Google "There is no spoon."

Coco,

I am going to go out on a limb here and respond to some of what you said to Ulrika, since again, you played the "other people think the same thing card". Over the past few weeks, it has become increasingly clear that Prokofy has written some of the posts that have been posted by you. This is not implying you are his alt - you are a separate person. What it is saying is that the writing style, tone, and quality of your posts change very dramatically. After having read Prokofy's posts for months, as well as your own, I will say that Prokofy has an inimitable style. He has an eloquence, intelligence and rapier wit that is not hidden well even under attempts to do so. His posts are nearly instantly recognizeable. The similarity can not be explained away by you being of similar age, profession, or the fact that you are friends.

I am sure you will bristle at the suggestion, and cry foul. However, I have spoken to over a dozen people who have noticed the very same thing I have independently. I don't know if you are posting for Prokofy, or giving Prokofy access to your account to continue to be able to post. The end result is that it is very clear some posts are not yours. Do I have 100% proof of this? No. I do however have a brain and an unusual attention to detail, and the devil happens to be in those details. The change is too dramatic, and too familiar. If it looks like a duck...

The entire thing is distressing because it just seems an effort to game the forums, and allow Prokofy to still post. If this is not occuring, then you have the most bipolar writing style I have ever seen. If it is occuring, then you should be ashamed, as you are violating basic principles of honesty. Enough of that goes on with the alt games being played already in this forum, this just adds insult to injury.

Feel free to abuse report this if you want, I stand behind what I said. It is my opinion, and the opinion of many others that this is occuring.

Yeah, I think playing the shill for other players should be against the TOS.

"Over the past few weeks, it has become increasingly clear that Prokofy has written some of the posts that have been posted by you."

You - and the other people who may think this - are wrong. Completely, totally, and absolutely without question, wrong.

coco

Umm, no. I still don't believe you. You have proven yourself to be a puppet repeatedly in these forums.

It's a serious charge Cris, and I don't know that I would have felt comfortable making it publically as you have. But I will agree that Coco seems to have undergone a rapid transformation in writing style since Prok's ban...but isn't his IP also banned? That would make logging in impossible. I guess the same effect could be accomplished by passing Coco notecards, or instant messages.

But I do disagree with Blaze on this. If this charge turns out to be true, I don't think Coco should be punished as she should be allowed to express anything she likes in the forums within TOS/CS. However if Prok is pulling the strings here, he should be punished in whatever way the Lindens would punish a user who is attempting to circumvent a forum permaban.

Yes, it is a serious charge, and I did not make it lightly. I stated it very publicly because it is happening very publicly. Prokofy is not IP banned - he is still able to post in the classified forums.

AH! Good point! My bad.

Don't forget about good old fashioned email. It can't be traced by the Lindens.

~Ulrika~

"But I do disagree with Blaze on this. If this charge turns out to be true, I don't think Coco should be punished as she should be allowed to express anything she likes in the forums within TOS/CS. However if Prok is pulling the strings here, he should be punished in whatever way the Lindens would punish a user who is attempting to circumvent a forum permaban."

Interesting, Aimee. This must be a twofer. Get me for being him (and also get me out of the game) and get him out of the game, too, for talking through me.

I have to say, these forums are the singular most fascinating thing I have ever participated in in my life, real or virtual. I have never seen anything so incredibly outlandish.

As I said, there is no way, whatsoever, that any of what I have ever said, here, or elsewhere, is anything but my own words, thoughts, beliefs and convictions, absolutely and totally coming direct and sincerely to you out of my own mind.

Look at the mass hysteria going on in these forums right now. Look at the people coming out of the woodwork to make public this belief about me. (I'm glad that this has been brought to my attention, by the way.)

But I do think it is a sign that yes, these forums are sick, and not amenable in any way whatever to any sort of reasonable discussion of ideas. Ever. Not the way they are now.

coco

Uh... how does my opinion that ...

"I don't think Coco should be punished as she should be allowed to express anything she likes in the forums within TOS/CS"

Equate to...

"Get me for being him (and also get me out of the game)"

I just stated with no uncertain terms that even IF these claims are true, that you should NOT be punished.


Is this a first step in rewriting history? Will my quote be morphed into "Aimee tried to get coco out of the game". Lord knows I am used to it. Just like the shunning, just like the nature of my forum reform efforts... it doesn't matter what I actually SAID or DID. Just make up stuff and maybe some people will believe it rather than go look it up themselves.

Yes, very good point. I mean, seriously.. let's get this at the root cause.



Actually Coco, it would only punish you if you were Prok. Which you are so obviously not!

I'm with Aimee on this one. What on earth are you talking about, Coco? She said that if what I alleged you were doing was true, the person who should be punished for it is Prokofy, not you. How you twisted that into Aimee gunning for you is beyond me.

Excellent point, Cristiano. I think we're all focused on the person who started all this FIC / divisive nonsense, not someone who is clearly a positive influence on SL such as yourself, Coco!

Blaze, what are you doing?

I'm cuckoo for coco!

heh, you haven't figured that out? My estimation of blaze has gone up today....