Feted Inner Core Issue: Your opinion?

Thank god someone finally said it, it has been creeping me out for awhile.

Troll by proxy

Sorry to hijack this thread back on target, but the way people get contracting and consulting jobs on planet earth (especially when art is concerned) is with a Portfolio. If you feel you have the talent to land a consulting job like this in the future, take pictures of your work, document it with frapps, wind it all up into a digital web based portfolio and let the Lindens know your interested. Show me your portfolio as well, there are others who are interested in contracting out SL projects and I have no problem being the point man. I'm a member of the Serious Games Initiative and the group is keen on SL. With the serious games folks involved in SL, these oppurtunities are likely to appear more often.

But please please please don't tell me, "I never made anything that big, but I can put together a group that can." Choosing a team like that is just poor risk managment.

Coco is not Prok's alt - too bad you can't retract a mod report.

I don't see why not. Send a second report that says "Oops, my bad, please disregard".

The issue of "coco being prok" had been discussed ad nauseum a few months back and the consensus was... she ain't. I think Ulrika was on board with this, so it's MUCH more likely that she was hinting at Pen's notecard suspicion.

Just my opinion

What Aimee said.

As a complete aside, I'd like to remind folks that it's not gainst the ToS, CS, or Guidelines to out an alt, provided it's not done in a harassing way.

~Ulrika~

You would not be outing me as an alt, because I am not an alt. That's why it's harrassing.

I think some people here would pretty much have to be either me or Prok (or at least know one of us) to be convinced that I am not his alt, and that I am not his puppet. He doesn't send me note cards telling me what to say, and he doesn't tell me what to say. That would be absurd.

We are two quite different - and equal - people, despite holding some principles in common, such as believing in equal opportunity for all. (Just as I didn't "buy into" what Tony Walsh originally reported and commented on. It was my own, individual, take on it as well, which happened to concur with his.)

It's all kind of funny, really. And amazing. But I don't believe people should be allowed to accuse others of being alts, or of being "puppets" of other players, or the "mouthpiece" of another player. Doing so breaks this portion of the TOS:

"Be respectful. Please challenge opinions, state your own and enjoy the discussion, but do not cross the line into personal attacks and insults because you will risk having your Second Life account suspended or banned."

On the other hand, as you know, I don't want to see anyone banned from the forums, particularly not now that it means they will be banned from the game, too. So I would just ask that you cease these kinds of comments, in the spirit of the TOS as quoted above.

coco

I would like to say a few things in response to everything said here over the last day or so.
From the beginning Bedazzle has sought to bring the best content we could to Second Life, for none or very little cost to anyone. We have done this at great personal expense, both in time and money.
Jimmy and I have always seen the possibilities in Second Life, as we feel other groups have as well. We have grown with the experience, and taken advantage of every update and new technological advance that has come along, even moving ahead of the crowd. We showed you what was possible, we feel with projects such as Sim Horror and Chinatown. We are especially proud that the entire world shares our vision for beauty by being able to have their own flower fields at any time, cost free thanks to our "Field of Dreams."

We have always struggled with ways to support our projects. We hope that someday a way would come that would help us along, but never expected it to come so quickly. It does not come without great personal sacrifice of time and energy. I don't mind that people wish to post opinions about this current project, I welcome it. I do not; however see this as any way a negative force for Second Life, but rather a huge step forward for us all to be recognized as a force to be reckoned with in the "real world" of technology. I ask that you post constructive criticism if you have any, not just turn this into another "Bash Linden Lab" session or a moment to cry favoritism or scream "FIC". We have a strong track record for hard work in Second Life as do other groups. We have promoted ourselves on a web site, make a marketing plan, and done several large projects of note.

It is difficult to bring projects of this size to completion, something I am sure other group leaders can attest to. Kendra mentions some good pointers in her post concerning proposing unsolicited projects to Linden Lab. Create your portfolio. Think about marketing your group and it's work to outside companies as we have thought of doing. Promote yourself within SL as some have done. You must believe in yourself and your group and stay strong. I wish you all well. Together we can build a stronger SL and show the outside world just how terrific we are.

Best Regards,
Foxy Xevious
Team Leader, Bedazzle

Harrassing? So would your comments RE: FIC be construed as harrassment as well if some folks identify themselves as FIC members?

Just to clarify, Foxy, I, too, see it as a huge step forward for SL.

And I am certain Bedazzled was doubtless one of the few best choices, and certainly an excellent choice to make (if not in fact the only possible choice, just as Snapzilla was virtually the only choice for the front page of this web site, but that one wasn't handled correctly, either).

I certainly in no way intend to degrade the efforts and achievements of the Bedazzled group, or Snapzilla, and have, in fact, lauded them both on these forums in the past, as well as in the game.

My point has been only that such opportunities ought to be available to all; and that is now going to be done. Even when such opportunities are available to all, it would surprise me not a bit if your group were still most often chosen (assuming we had many corporations wanting to do something like this), probably to such a degree that you wouldn't even be able to handle all the work that would come your way. Because - it would deserve to be.

Making sure everything that happens is equally available to everyone is my only goal. It could have been you - it could have been some other group - recommended to the corporation. Whichever group they chose to recommend would unquestionably be completely qualified for the job, and then some, else they would not have recommended the group. Bedazzled is in no way not "worthy" of this honor, or not deserving of it from hard work and achievements in the past. The same way that Snapzilla is not in any way not deserving of being used on the front page.

I don't wish that LL not to join up with corporations to offer services those corporations need. I don't wish that groups don't receive such work. I wish only that everyone interested in being a part of it gets a chance to be CONSIDERED for it. This will now be possible through the web address Robin provided, and through the display of that opportunity on these forums in the future.

That is what I have been about. Though others may want to cast this in a different light, believe me when I say it has nothing to do with Bedazzled or my admiration of their work, or with anyone else it might have been, before I knew it was Bedazzled. I have no wish to stifle the creative achievements of others (that would be completely ridiculous, and if you knew me, you would know that I never do that), nor am I in ANY sense jealous of the achievement of others. It's really just not in my nature. I also don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, who has worked hard, but I, personally, haven't said anything that should do so.

It has to do entirely with the principle of being open with these things, and allowing everyone the opportunity to be considered for jobs of this nature, or for anything, really. This will be a good thing for everyone and for LL.

Now, that's the best I can do on this.

coco

P.S. AND your Field of Dreams. Which I love, and have. What I have been shooting for here has absolutely nothing to do with Bedazzled or their many remarkable achievements.

I applaud LL for doing an excellent job. I applaud them for providing a wonderful software that we can all feel so passionate about. I applaud them for putting together a cool enough website to attract new players.

I haven't read this thread. I've been on a sort of diet where I only respond and read threads that I think will help people. Not to say you aren't helping people Coco, but it just didn't fit the criteria of what I wanted to accomplish in the forums over the last few days.

I only wanted to post today because I feel Linden Labs must be feeling kind of frustrated with all the questioning of their decisions lately. If I was a staff member right now, I would feel kind of down.

I like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I also like to put myself in their shoes. I know these sound like simple homilies, but I know how it feeld to do something that you think is exciting only to be met with a bunch of negativity. Sometimes it helps to turn it around and look at it from their point of view.

I want to close this post by beseeching everyone to post a nice positive every once in a while. Sorry if I come off condescending. I just hate to see all of this negativity.

Foxy,

Excellent post. Congratulations to your team - you continue to push the envelope of what is possible in SL, and this is no exception.

You are wonderful.

~Ulrika~

Thanks Coocoo, SL wouldn't have been able to move forward without your public affirmation of Foxy's post.

~Ulrika~

lol.

From being a "problem" and an "incident" to now being a "huge step forward." Amazing the sort of about-face someone can perform when the faces of her victims are suddenly laid bare. Christ, I have whiplash, having caught up on this thread.



I've been away from home, attending to some family medical problems. I decided to pipe in at a T-Mobile hotspot outside a Starbucks to check in on some... other family of mine.

Bravo to Ulrika for finding the logical keys to unraveling the argument that I knew existed but could not define or communicate myself. Bravo to Cristiano for totally, ruthlessly kicking ass and saying exactly the sort of thing I would have wanted to say, were I available as this unfolded.

Bravo to Aimee 'cause she's neat. /me swoons

cocoanuts, you do come off as being double standard. You are quick to throw the TOS in peoples faces when they acuse you of being an alt, but this thread started with you attacking people with the same false acusation.

You know very well, every time you begin a thread about the so called "FIC", you press peoples buttons, they in return attempt to press your. When this happens time and time again, it makes people think your intent is for nothing more than to stir up trouble. I beleive there is a famous quote about your friend that pointed out the same exact tactics your friend you use as well.

Personally, I'm a little disappointed this thread wasn't a raging protest to Aimee being on the front page again. I owe someone $20L for someone not starting a thread about it. :/

Right On Foxy!

Very well said! The last paragraph is really the core of the matter on any of these sort of discussions. Whether you like it or not, LL will do what is best for them and for SL's future. If that means they lose few players then be it.

A very good example is star wars galaxies. The Devs completely changed that game in a patch called combat update. It really really hurt some of the players and in fact they left in droves. But guess what, Sony has tripled SWG subscription base since then and became a much better game for many. It was a pure business decision and a gamble and that's it.

Foxy .. I've said it before and I'll say it again.. the real winners in this was all the other developers in SL because you'll no doubt make us all look good by association.

Very well said, blaze. I agree 100%

I agree only 87% because I think the name "Bedazzle" sounds like rapper slang.

Fo' shazzle bedazzle!

~Ulrika~

It was much cuter when Torley spoke that way. That was just painful, Ulrika.

Torley > Ulrika