Feted Inner Core Issue: Your opinion?

Right. You're so scared, you pre-emptively called LL "lazy" and Bedazzled "FIC".

Spare us the indignity, please.

Also, you damned well know people are not accusing you of being an alt of Prokofy's. They are insinuating that you are allowing him to post under your account.

Actually it is more:

Torley > Ulrika

Funny, it reminds me more of tacky suburban Dallas housewives in all thier crafty goodness.



I should say, that I feel Bedazzle does excellent work and should not be compared with those tacky high-hair crafty mums from Texas. Foxy and crew have more talent in one pinky finger than the whole Bedazzler users group.

OK, call me a stupid noob but I just don't see what is so wrong about the people who're often labeled as FIC getting some extra spotlight and trust from LL. It seems only natural to me because they have been here for long, invested their time, talent and money and contributed greatly in enriching SL.

Besides, assuming such a thing as the FIC exists outside the forums, I would think it's something very fluid. Who knows what you'll become in a year, or maybe three months if you really put yourself into what you're good at in SL? Or am I too naive? Is it something like Freemason?

It would be a lie if I say I'm not envious. I wish I had joined the day I read about SL for the first time in Slashdot. I wish I had joined when SL was like a little village of pioneers. I sometimes feel like all the great things had been done before I arrived (as if I'm a Generation Xer of SL). And I hear some of my friends jokingly curse some of those "FIC" people for being so damn good at what they do that they feel there's no way to compete with them. But they don't whine because they are having so much fun doing their things in hope of someday getting their share of spotlight. As for myself, I enjoy being nobody in SL without much to worry about

So, Coco, I admire your courage to stand up alone and speak for yourself, but please don't try to speak for everyone who's "nobody." I have heard people complain about LL in-world but never about them being unfair. Plus, I think you're already "somebody," being a forum celeb and all

You speak of equal opportunities but for me it reeks of badly implemented affirmative action. Trust is something we can't win just by demanding. It takes time, commitment and actual achievements, or so I believe. Oh, btw thanks for being patient with my clumsy Engrish. I just couldn't help throwing in my two L$

These two paragraphs are excellent, and deserve repetition.

Thank you, Chie.

It's not anything like affirmative action, though. Affirmative action would be - for example - if a college had to accept a certain segment of the population of the people who applied to that college.

This is a situation in which no one even had the opportunity to apply. I asked that people be given the opportunity to apply. Robin gave an e-mail address, so that anyone who wanted to could apply for future jobs like this, by sending in their portfolio (application) to that e-mail address.

The corporations will still be free to choose whoever they want, with no regard to any particular segment of the population, or any particular group. The Lindens can still make all the recommendations they want. But everyone will at least have had a chance to present themselves for consideration.

Hopefully this e-mail address will be always featured on the forums, perhaps in a new forum containing Ongoing Announcements..

So it's not a matter of the corporations or the Lindens having to accept and choose everyone, or anyone in particular. It's a matter of everyone being able to apply in the first place, so they may be CONSIDERED for being chosen.

That will now be possible, so the issue this thread is about is no longer a problem.

coco

"They are insinuating that you are allowing him to post under your account."

Heavens, Nolan! I just now noticed you said that. I thought by notecards, they meant, he was telling me topics to talk about. Now that notion was ridiculous enough, but for them to suggest that I would allow anyone to post under my account, through notecards or whatever, is totally disgraceful and outrageous. Unbelievable. Insulting beyond belief.

These things should not be allowed to go on. The Lindens shouldn't allow their forums to be like this.

coco

You were actually told a few posts before mine. I don't think they meant him physically logging into your account, just you cutting and pasting. You know, because of IPS numbers and all.

And yeah, heavens.

? and again ?????????

this is a bit extreme.

People, please start reporting the posts that are meant to hurt, incite, anger, and harrass. There is no need for so much hate.

Walk into any hospital and ask those who are on deaths door what they would of changed in their lives...

I will tell you...

They wouldn't of taken life nearly as seriously as they did.

We can all learn from that. I'm not asking that we all agree I'm asking again that we treat each other with respect.

Cat

That would include the post that started this thread. Are you telling me to report it?

Your asking me if your opinion of a post is right or wrong, that is up to you to decide.
I'm asking that the hate stop.

Cat

BTW if you all took a few min and looked at the Bedazzle group you would see that as whole lotta Lindens are in that group. Which is probably one of the reasons they were picked. I'm not saying thats a negative thing so don't draw any conclusions I didn't say. I think its kewl the Lindens get involved in groups.

My only point being is a lot of Lindens know a lot of the Bedazzle team already.

Cat

Now that Torley has been vanquished my dark army will march across the face of SL, unstopped by any ... ooh. My Poptart is done.

~Ulrika~

Lindens often join groups simply to follow the many different projects going on in SL. Getting group IMs is an easy way to keep in touch with people and to be notified of developments.

As such, just because a Linden belongs to a group doesn't mean they are explicity *part* of the group or directly involved in the Group's efforts. I often join groups when I need to assist in setting land to groups (I can't set land to group unless I *belong* to the group). Also, I will join groups simply because I am very interested in what they're doing and want to get the Group's IM updates now and then. And sometimes I want to help a group with technical issues that require a Linden's involvement.

But this raises a good issue. Belonging to a group may imply that Linden is a key participant in the group's efforts and could imply favoritism. That's unfortunate because it's really not the case. Maybe us Lindens need to really think twice about belonging to *any* Resident groups from now on. Any suggestions on how to remedy this issue?

This is a question that's come up before, in particular I had mentioned the same about Lindens participating in the IRC channel, and how it causes a (true? false?) impression about LL's relationship to specific subgroups within and outside of SL.

Rather than derail this thread, maybe it would make sense to start a thread asking this question?


- Newfie

Suggestion #1

Stop responding to conspiracy theories of collusion, and stop looking at them as serious issues that you need to cater your behavior to.

You are human beings that run a company, and should not let the one or two forum paparazzi throw you into a world of second guesses.

Sorry, I didn't mean to potentially derail this thread. If anyone feels the issue of Lindens belonging to Groups is something worthy of a new thread, please feel free to start it yourself.

(returning this thread to the original rails now...)

amen.

Forum Paparazzi!! What a great way to describe them!

This is a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? Ending all communication with residents would probably be your best bet to deter a few people from crying favouratism. You might want to get rid of liaison land as well...that's just an accident waiting to happen.

*applause*

NO Pathfinder!!!!

We are suposed to be adults. People should understand such benefits. If anyone has an issue with this pety stuff, there may be some insecurity issues they need to deal with.

I'm just wondering out loud. I'm not comfortable with the nature of this post. I think it was attacking a specific group of people and I don't think that's fair. Maybe this was an example of a policy that may or may not need to change, but wouldn't it have been better if the policy was criticized and not the people?

I've seen other comments like this aimed at the Lindens where they were described as being evil. I think they are just "trying". I would think any decent person would not play a game supported by an "evil" corporation.

I feel sorry for Linden Labs and the scrutiny they constantly find themselves under. I worry that the day may come when unique and cool ideas are scrapped because they fear being attacked in the forums for every small decision.

I played another game that tried to appease the forum members. They made various changes to the game play based on complaints posted in the forums. I remember thinking, "game design by democracy is not a good idea". I still feel this way.

Another wise thing I learned from my grandmother was to pick my battles. Sometimes it's not worth fighting every windmill that comes along.

Let's remember Linden Labs are made up of people just like you and me.

I like to imagine sometimes that I'm the person I'm writing to and how I would feel to find this post directed at me. Of course this is very hard thing to do and I sometimes find myself rewriting and rewriting and sometimes just not posting at all.

When I see assumptions being made, I try to imagine it actually happening. I can't see LL staff sitting around going "ooh, let's see how we can glorify the FIC and at the same time irritate everyone else in SL' while rubbing their hands and twirling their collective moustache. Instead I see intelligent reasonable individuals making the best decisions with the amount of time available for the best results.

Okay, that's my insight. Now I'm imagining everyone reading this going, "yeah, she has a point." Then the sun breaks out and everyone holds hands and walks off in to the distance singing.

Actually, it does not raise a 'good issue'. It raises an envy issue, only affecting a miniscule subset of forum posters, who apparently are unable to gain entrance to any group on their own merit, so instead, resort to trolling alarmism and 'gloom and doom' or fluttering about as if possessed of a broken wing and mewling for pity from others.

The best way to remedy it is not to become reactive to it. It is the highest and closest held hope of such sour grapes to see Linden Labs reduced to jumping every time they speak. You see, they believe this is how you react to those with whom you have developed mutual respect in the metaverse, which is why they envy them so.... they don't really want equal access, because they HAVE THAT and choose not to use it effectively. What they want is to see you (read: Linden Labs) shut down/away the existing relationships or, at least, grant that level of admiration and amiableness to themselves (preferably without making them actually invest time and energy to earn it, you know).

Consider it like a group of kids who are all clamoring for your attention at the same time. You have those who are good at figuring out how to get it, those who manage it now and again, and those who are so self-absorbed and arrogant that they think if they pitch a fit and pout themselves into hpyerventilation that you'll 'Have To Notice Them'. As with the real world, the best way to underscore that negative acting out doesn't work is to grant it no credence whatever. If/when these envious folk can manage to control themselves well enough and long enough to earn your interest and attention, they will have it. Otherwise, let them whine/pout.