Feted Inner Core Issue: Your opinion?

Ya know if this were about our 'community' - say a new sim going up and there being a shortage of ppl to get everything right before it came online.. yeah it would be nice to tender the job and have portfolios submitted (even though we know full well that someone will cry foul at some point).

But I don't think this is the case... We have a business client wanting a job done to spec and deadline.

Now I work around a roomfull of photographers every single day, but if I want someone TOMORROW on a make or break shoot - I'll only ask one of two guys... why? Because I know they'll be there come hell or high water. If I was doing something a little less critical, I would ask around to see who wanted in.

Thats what this was.. a business client. Now I appreciate that Linden Lab do listen to our input, and try and keep customers happy... but thats what it is, keeping customers happy. We have absolutely NO say in their other business dealing - nor should we in my opinion!

Bottom line - it's really none of our flippin business or concern! And if anything it's an incentive for people to strive.

They went for the crew with the track record for getting this kind of work done - for a job that HAD to be done to a deadline... it's not favoratism, its just plain sensible.

Siggy.

Tee hee. Juro's not the only one laughing.

Let me go a little deeper on this one Prok, er, Coco. Look at your quote below:

What you're doing is voicing a complaint in the form of a personal attack, in this case by calling the Lindens "lazy", because they draw from a pool of proven high performers. While Cristiano has posted about the obvious logic of choosing from a pool of proven high performers, I'm commenting on the motivation for making such an accusation in the first place.

You are motivated to complain about selections the Lindens make because you are envious of those who are selected. You feel jealous that you were not hand picked by the Lindens and chosen to receive US$17k. You lash out by formulating a thread with an illogical premise (Lindens are lazy) as a vehicle to vent your jealousy-induced anger.

Your envy is a personal flaw which is manifesting itself as trolling. The solution isn't to defend your jealousy-induced flawed premises rather it is to address your problem with envy head on.

~Ulrika~

Yes, that same post. To clarify:

You asked if anyone noticed Robin's thread "corrected the entire problem" -- presumably referring to the proper handling of the circumstances described in the poll question.

Robin's post states what LL will do to address similar circumstances in, as you say above, "the future".

The poll question asks whether the bank situation was handled properly -- or stated differently, whether or not the handling of the situation was a "problem" or not.

I would not be able to say I noticed Robin's post corrects the entire problem, since the poll question is about a specific past event event which remains unchanged.

I would also not be able to say "I noticed the problem was corrected", since your question presumes an answer to the poll question with which I disagree.

What I can say to answer your question, is that I notice Robin's post is an interesting development about the future, related to your poll question asking if the community conceives LL's past action as a problem at all.

What??

Reported to the Mod

Great post Ulrika!

I was really put off by the "Lindens are Lazy" thing. Linden Lab pulls off a LOT using a staff that is much smaller than your average massive multi-player game. And I have talked to so many Lindens working through the weekend to stay on top of a daunting to-do list.

I guess this is an off topic post so carry on with the FIC stuff. I just thought that shot was pretty sour.

My statement is in my opinion quite accurate and goes directly to the cause of the problem. While you might be satisfied with addressing jealousy-induced flawed premises ad nauseum, I feel that addressing the underlying cause is of infinitely more value.

Further, I feel the fact that one would report such a post to a moderator is evidence that the current moderation rules are so askew, that arguing endlessly on whether or not the Lindens are lazy for drawing from a pool of proven talent is normal, yet the supposition that an illogical premise may have been formulated due to emotional reasons is forbidden.

Are deep thought and tough questions doomed on this Polyanna (or should I say Merwan) forum?

~Ulrika~

Me too.

It's so obviously incongruent with LL's actual image, that it's almost funny!

~Ulrika~

this is very true.

If there existed another group with consistant results that was as good as Bedazzle is , then the Lindens surely would have had to pause and think.

Were there three or more - perhaps suggest competing bids.

As it is Bedazzle basically shines brightly and were an obvious choice for the Lindens

So in the future as other groups become more and more sucessful and known, this should take care of itself.

woah, woah woah! coci is not prok!

she's prok's mouthpiece

i generally agree though i think it's great they listen.i know quite a few people who are investing a fair bit of real money into sl for businesses that use sl as a platform.

i left the computer industry because i wanted to do other things. but daily i have to resist getting sucked back into programming and system design because sl offers great opportunities for the future of the internet. daily i come up with ideas that would be cool to try as a money making venture in sl - most of them are quite hare-brained but not all of them. sl has great potential - a potential that has as yet not been fully explored.

continuing to see sl as a "game" where sl owes the "players" success is idiotic.

Ok. Now, understand, the problem has been fixed.

Given that - I will nonetheless give this a go one more time. (Or at least try, given what all has been brought up since I posted here last.)

I have perfect and total confidence that the Lindens themselves understand exactly where I'm coming from, by the way, and also understand my motivation - which is to make SL better.

Cristiano, and others: The $17,000 incident - I said, "understandable though it may have been in how it came to pass."

This has NOW BEEN FIXED. Now hear this! This has NOW BEEN FIXED. lol Now there is going to be a process in place where anyone wishing to be considered by future companies will have their portfolio and everything on record WITH the Lindens. Who have now solicited such. And that ability to submit one's portfolio, etc., will hopefully be apparent on the forums as an ongoing opportunity.

That was what was needed. That was what wasn't in place until Robin instituted it in the other thread. Now it is. This is good. Not only for us, but for the corporations who approach SL in the future.

I, personally, am not interested in working for these corporations, at least certainly not at the current time. NOW HEAR THIS! I don't want to do this myself! What I want is equal opportunity for those who do wish to do it.

I give the Lindens more credit than you do, regarding my phrase the "easy (lazy) way." I think they are perfectly capable of recognizing that they have been doing it the easy (lazy) way, rather than the slightly harder way they are now GOING to do it. They know - Robin knows - I'm pretty sure - that I never said, "The Lindens are a bunch of lazy no-good-niks."

Aimee, I do know how hard the Lindens work. And, more importantly, what nice people they are, to everyone.

As far as the FIC thing goes, I think people think of themselves as FIC, or have been called by others FIC, and think that is a slur.

I tend to think of it more as a behavior, when the Lindens draw from a pool of known-quantity players, as opposed to making sure everyone has an equal chance at everything.

Ulrika, you say: "You are motivated to complain about selections the Lindens make because you are envious of those who are selected. You feel jealous that you were not hand picked by the Lindens and chosen to receive US$17k. You lash out by formulating a thread with an illogical premise (Lindens are lazy) as a vehicle to vent your jealousy-induced anger."

That just isn't the case.

coco

P.S. Jauni - it's an acorn house, not a walnut house.

Mmm. Denial. *Drool*

~Ulrika~

Last I check, this isn't a game of duck-duck goose or parcheezi. It doesn't have to be fair. If you're good, you'll get noticed and or chosen. Period.

And just for the record, I don't ever want anyone to buy or admire anything of mine because the next person received a compliment on their stuff. Frankly, I'd rather receive honest admiration from people than just sugar coated, fluff designed to placate me. But that's just me.

It will continue to be viewed as a game until we can opt-in to a SL account that allows for real life identity, which IMO will be needed if SL wishes to grow beyond "niche" status.

There are HUGE markets that will NOT do business in an environment that is 100% autonomous. Currently SL's market sector remains Computer Industry Specific - appealing mainly to the gaming niche - which is fine, but LL must think broader if they are to continue growing.

See also -

Real Life SL Accounts?
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Robin L - Turn Key SL Business Ops!

Coco,

Now hear this...the very fact that you keep referring to it as a problem that needed fixed is itself the problem. It did not need fixing, and was not a problem. They did exactly what they needed and wanted to do in that situation. Robin's announcement about a developer program and an email address to contact for consideration in future projects was not implemented as a solution to fix a problem, it was implemented as part of what they are trying to build. She didn't drop everything based upon your post and suddenly magically make this stuff come to pass because you have such an all important critical eye for justice for all. You can't get from nothing to fully implemented without starting somewhere. This is the first major corporate project that has come along, and its success will open the path of others. There has been several email addresses you could contact all along - [email]robin@lindenlab.com[/email], [email]philip@lindenlab.com[/email], [email]support@lindenlab.com[/email]. Contacting the Lindens has always been an option.

By continuing to refer to this project in the way that you are, you impune those involved - incident, problem, etc.. are very negative labels to place on someone. Bedazzle got the project fairly, through hard work and talent, and that is neither an incident nor a problem. The only problem I continually see is you attributing labels of favoritism and injustice to the decisions of a private company that owes you, me, or anyone else, nothing except the service we pay for.

Just my two cents

Congrats to the Bedazzle team! This is a great step for all of the community. Since this could be a steppingstone to more of the same, it was and is imperative that this project be done well. Bedazzle is an incredible team of some of the most talented and proven creators in all of secondlife. Notice I said some…there are many very talented creators in secondlife, but LL suggested a team that they felt was capable of completing the job and doing it well and they made a great choice. Again, congrats to the Bedazzle team.

I am a little lost. Are we as a community expecting LL to do an rfp and then put a team together from those who show an interest? I don’t think its LL responsibility to try and pull a team together to complete this type of a project. That is our responsibility. A team is not just a bunch of great scriptors and builders thrown into a group and told to complete something. That formula is a disaster waiting to happen. Teams take a LOT of work to make happen and the Bedazzle team will pull this off in a manner that will showcase SL for other businesses that are looking to do the same.

Yeah they have been for quite some time Ulrika - fortunately in time we learn how to continue the dialogues and real discussions.

She is not accusing Cocoanut of being Prokofy, it is something else entirely. Watch closely.

Cristiano said:

"Now hear this...the very fact that you keep referring to it as a problem that needed fixed is itself the problem. It did not need fixing, and was not a problem. They did exactly what they needed and wanted to do in that situation. Robin's announcement about a developer program and an email address to contact for consideration in future projects was not implemented as a solution to fix a problem, it was implemented as part of what they are trying to build. She didn't drop everything based upon your post and suddenly magically make this stuff come to pass because you have such an all important critical eye for justice for all. You can't get from nothing to fully implemented without starting somewhere"

I agree with everything you said in that paragraph entirely, Cristiano. Except maybe the part, "was not implemented as a solution to fix a problem." The problem was apparent to a lot of people, on other places besides this forum.

Perhaps they had always intended to do it that way, and just hadn't gotten around to it, and that's perfectly fine. The point I'm making is, it is no longer a problem. It has been fixed. End of my concern with this particular problem. (Though I do want to see that it gets well displayed as an opportunity in the forums.)

coco

P.S. Mash, no. All that is required is exactly what Robin did - give an e-mail address so that anyone interested in being CONSIDERED for future projects such as this one has the ability to be heard and considered.

The only other thing required would be to make sure this opportunity - to send them your portfolio, etc. - is made clear and ever-present in the forums, as in, for instance, a forum dedicated to ongoing announcements and opportunities.

(edited) You are on the fast track to becoming a blight on the community, bravo.

*stands up and cheers loudly*!!

Beautifully said Cris!! Absolutely the way I (and I know many others) feel. I could not have stated it so well though. THANK YOU!

Why? Comparing someone to another based on their similar ideas is not a TOS violation is it?

Let's rewind to before Robin's announcement - It wasn't a problem in the first place.

It was LL dealing with another private business, and they recommended a group that they have confidence in.

Even before Robin posted the details -

This was not favoritism.

This was not laziness.

This was not FIC.

This is smart business. When LL practices smart business, we all benefit.

I think you owe a couple of apologies. One to LL, for calling them lazy, and one to Bedazzled for calling them FIC. You can claim that you didn't have all the details, we know this. What you can't do is wriggle out of the responsibilty for having shot off your mouth before getting those details, which does not excuse your lack of an open apology to those you derided.

Please stop calling people names like lazy, FIC, and the like, or be not taken seriously when you tell others to stop name calling.

Please stop copping out, and trying to soften the meaning of FIC. It is an insult if it is taken by some as such, especially when you are fully aware that some people do take it as in insult. You have been told countless times that it insults some people. For one who plays herself off as being such an honest and virtuous person, you sure don't seem to give a damn that you are knowingly offending people. "That's not the way I mean it", "That's not what FIC means to me" (paraphrasing), followed by your own sweetened definition, is insulting, in and of itself.

Ok. Now, understand, everytime you mount one of these frivolous campaigns against "injustice", you weaken your position, and sully your own name.

I read (missread?) it as an Alt outing...

Ahhh! No, it is not that at all. I can say with confidence that it was a comparison of the two people being so similar it is often hard to tell them apart. Not to mention the fact that Prok himself admits (on other mediums) that he reads these forums and sends notecards in world to "correct" people when he feels they are wrong.

Even I often read some of Coco's posts and get the strong feeling that Prok has sent her notecards telling her to "say this". Not always, but sometimes it is just scary how much she sounds like Prok. And I think it only really got to be that way after he was banned from the forums and couldn't speak for himself. (this 2nd paragraph is just *my* opinion... only the first paragraph can I state with fact)