Feted Inner Core Issue: Your opinion?

im goiing to do bad things if you dont stop usin all them big wisdom werds like obtoose.

i don unerstand whats so wrong. soem of my best frends are Fownd In Cleveland.

this place is insidous, i swear. you post long enough here and you to will become completely infected by irony.

but maybe in the end that's really the only way to lead people to the third, fourth ply (and beyond)

haha rather fic rolfo loll

Percieved by some. The term green could be perceived by some as derogatory. Sometimes you have to examine the context and not just the word. Tro my mind FIC is only derogatory to those who seek to find derogatory meaning. It is simply a descriptor. Even the villian Prokofy never used FIC as an insult. The insulting parts he offered, such as they were, were centered around the behavior of people he rightfully or wrongfully placed in the FIC. In most instances derogaroty remarks were well aimed at individuals.

And Really, a lot of people seem to be insulted by the FIC, such as yourself, who are not even remotley to the FIC. And some time FIC is just a descripor of a class of people who occupy a certain position. Coco is clearly not FIC or the forum "community" would not be working hard at pulling a Prokofy on her.

I'll risk a warning, and worse risk the displeasure of people I generally like: but right now, in the thread, the whole lot of us (after this, myself included) needs to take a huge pill of grow up and act like adults.

As to my other point, I offer this quote:

"If I were a Linden, you'd be out of the forums right now."

I would offer more.

My comment, as always applies across the board. If Coco insulted you then her behavior is in the wrong too.

You are really gonna sit there and tell us Prokofy didn't mean in in a derogatory manner?

That is one of the most insulting claims I have ever heard.

You don't get to decide for others what is insulting Jake.

And trotting out the word "green"? Get real.

People who are offended are not even FIC? So what? I am offended for other people when they are called names as well. I don't have to be part of the target group to be less than happy someone else is tossing slurs at people.

The ultimate irony is being told not to be offended by being called names by people who carp incessantly about forums reforms, up to and including no name calling, and who insist that the forums are such a bad place. What does tossing out "FIC" everytime help? How does it make the forums a better place? People who call for reforms need to live by their own rules or suffer the consequences. Reform needs to start with those who are calling for it being as careful as possible not to offend via labeling or name calling, especially before having all the facts.

This whole cat and mouse game; "you're not even FIC and you're offended!", is NOT clever. It's unmitigated sewage. It's a cop out. It's a mechanism employed for one to lash out at people, and then not take responsibilty for it.

It's so pathetically childish and transparent.

Your "other point" was one quote. How does that involve all of us. Where in my statement have I said that I was trying to get rid of Coco?

I don't think that one quote speaks for everyone, especially since the poster used the word "I", just as you can speak for the people the FIC statement was directed towards.

Prokofy originated the term as an insult, and until you have constantly been on the receiving end of Prokofy's obsession with people (Aimee, Cubey, Schwanson and I can all speak well to this) which was equal parts commentary and character assasination, of course you don't think it was insulting. Your opinion on whether it is insulting or not is irrelevant, as its not being levelled at you.

It has nothing to do with the word, since you said one needs to go beyond that. Feted is hardly derogatory. It is all the other allegations that are often intertwined with it - bias, privilege, collusion, favoritism, undeserving success, blah blah blah that are what are so insulting. It once again served its purpose with this thread. With one title, it was able to state that a privileged group unfairly received a recommendation from Linden Lab to get a job. Do you think for a moment that it is not insulting to have the hard work of Bedazzle reduced to innuendo?

As far as Ulrika's statement about Coco , it represents how Ulrika feels. Nowhere in anything I said did I say I wanted Cocoanut gone. I never even rallied for Prokofy's absensce, though I can't say I miss him in the slightest (though he apparently misses me as my name is all over his blah-g ). I do stand behind what I said regarding my opinion of Cocoanut's posts, which was also representative of how other people have felt in the past few weeks. Cocoanut made her statement disputing it, and it is up to those reading to decide what they believe. I am not going to continue to press the issue - I know what I and others have observed, and will leave it at that.

If you think any of my posts in this thread are childish, that is your opinion, and I respect that. However, I chose what I had to say very carefully - first in defense of Bedazzle, and then having observed the behavior I spoke about occuring in this very thread (which also is what set Ulrika down the path she went down), I decided to speak out. Your advice and opinions are duly noted, though in this case I do not agree with it.

This is what I said... one person does not a pack make.. but meh....

And I'd love to know what 'pulling a prokofy' on someone is...

Is that where I consistantly ignore warnings till I'm thrown off? That would be pulling a Prokofy..

Siggy.

You're thinking too hard about this. The only value in the concept of the FIC was the idea that there may be an SL "elite" who might have more privileges and helpings than the unwashed masses. And even that was stating the case too strongly.

But more to the point, that idea wasn't Prokofy's. It was put forward by a few other people as a topic for discussion, before Prokofy sensationalized it and used it as a wedge issue. And while Prokofy was doing his thing, a few others tried to redirect the firestorm back to the original concept. Unsuccessfully, of course.

You and Coco give Prokofy too much credit. You mistake heat for light, volume for content. Prokofy, in all of his posts, never had an original idea, criticism, or proposal. I never found one that hadn't been outlined by someone else well before he got ahold of it - including the idea of a FIC-like group - and I looked hard. I never found one that Prokofy did not blow out of all proportion - for self-aggrandizing effect.

There's nothing to admire about that strategy. It helped to create an atmosphere in which discussion was impossible, and shouting or leaving was all that was left to do. Unfortunately, others, on the other side, were taken in by his approach, and contributed to the problem.

Forget him, and focus on the issues he appropriated and recklessly threw around. Take another approach. You'll have the high ground when people launch ad hominem attacks because they'd rather not hear what you think. Right now, this looks like Custer's Last Stand. Heaps of dead horses, torn flesh, and bloody rags spread down the hillside.

This is a nasty thread full of hate - those who have chosen to take part in this should be ashamed of themselves.

I ussually skip the threads with FIC issues, cause it's getting old, out of proportion anyway.

Oh wait what am I doing here ???

Your SFIC

you don't fool us!

I have to agree

LOL

I do have one advice for people who THINK there is a supposidly FIC :

Be proud of what YOU can do in SL !!
Don't get jelious what others can do

Makes your SL life a lot easier !!!

Jealousy is like Envy... Envy is Green... I don't LIKE green..

The grass is NEVER greener... and its also the colour of snot.

I have tried to derail this thread... *bows*

My work here is done.

you'd think this thread would be derailed, but its snot!


puns dont work too well in forums :/

One person asked a question. Others added their opinions and others asked a question.

I am sorry Roberta, but I don't think there was hate. I don't see why I should be ashamed. I actually thought the questions and answers, for the most part were quite mature and a very good dialogue was going on.

Your comment, although I defend your right to make it, was very broad and vague and painted everyone with the same brush. I don't think it contributed to the conversation.

It may be you don't have time to write a full comment, I can understand that, but when you do have time, could you elaborate?

I asked Roberta, and I'll ask you, where was the hate?

Coco made some valid points and asked for an opinion. I think she opened a discussion about FIC that helped clear up some misconceptions.

Even she admitted at one point, if my memory serves me correctly, that she could have used a different term.

As for her writing style comments, we noted them, she made a nice rebuttal and I noted how easily it was for one thing to look like another, like in the matter of LL being accused of playing favorites.

Coming in after all the reasonable comments and making short snarky retorts are the sort of things that can get a thread closed. Coco deplores that sort of thing and it's not fair to her or to the rest of us who have participated in this open debate.

So like I asked Roberta, could you elaborate?

This is a friendly thread full of joy - those who have chosen to take part in this should be proud of themselves.

~Ulrika~

After reading through some of your posts that's pretty rich....you are hardly ever pleasant to people.....where is your shame? Judge yourself.

*Beams With Pride*

he he he

I think we can use "prokofy" as a VERB now. Cool!

Hate? Not worth the energy. To be accurate, use any of the following to define my opinion or perspective about Cocoanut Koala's cronyism :

- Abhorrence,
- Aversion,
- Disapproval,
- Disfavor,
- Disgust,
- Disinclination,
- Dislike,
- Displeasure,
- Distaste,
- Loathing,
- Nauseous,
- Repugnance,
- Repulsion,
- Revulsion.

Simply put - easily manipulated, gullible people who allow others to use them to forward an agenda that got them banned are not thought highly of here.

Oh, and believe me, seeing that she now writes for the Second Life Herald in no way surprises. Over-wrought sensationalism with little or no substance and pop culture pablum is something they have in common with one another.

Her stock is plummeting and she seems too addled by self-righteousness to notice. Oh well.

Important clarification:

I don't write for the Second Life Herald. I post on the Second Life Herald.

I've been doing that since it was the Alphaville Herald. The reason I started posting there was when Urizenus - who I didn't know from Adam - got banned from TSO for having a link on his in-game profile that linked to the Herald, which had on it a link to a cheat site.

I wrote a thread on the TSO web site called, "Free - " golly, I can't remember his name there, but anyway, it was basically, "Free Urizenus." (Or however that's spelled.)

Who, I repeat, I didn't know from Adam. Principle, see. It's about principles.

Eventually I came to agree that the technicalities they got him on were legit, if unfair, and dropped my campaign. Which hardly endeared me to him. (Which you would notice, if you studied my early days on the AVH. It wasn't pleasant.)

These days, I would say the technicalities he had them on, also legit, were the more fair, and I would have maintained my campaign.

Prok I met just by looking around Alphaville and finding what looked like a neat house, which was his, then charming my way into moving in with him there, and his roommate. This was before the thing over Uri getting banned from TSO. (Which made pretty huge headlines, by the way.)

Prok being Prok, it was only a few weeks later that he wrote me a three page IM just cause after a few weeks I wrote each of them one-line IM's asking where they were, as they were never on.

Needless to say, I moved out in a huge huff, he tried very vaguely and off-handedly to explain, I stayed offended, etc. And we've been friends ever since!

Me, Prok, and Uri. Three VERY different people. Three who have fought like cats and dogs in the past. Who met in completely unrelated circumstances. Who still fight over things.

But who, regardless of differences, each believe in two principles: Freedom of speech (and I don't mean the "yelling fire" kind) and equal opportunity for all.

It's about the principles.

coco

Totally sums up my view. I don't give a flying FICk about all attached drama.