Live Help or Dead Disservice?

I think all that 'deep poop' is in your head. Here, put this diaper on your face.

I’m so proud of you! I wish you all the luck in ridding our beloved towns and countryside of all those roving gangs of Live Helpers and Mentors. So sick of their uppity ways. Lording it over everyone that they get to….uh….be Live Helpers and Mentors. Shoving their titles in our faces. Being short tempered and grumpy. Acting all casual and “I don’t know” and opinionated and stuff.

Frankly, I think we should get rid of ALL Lindens, Helpers and Mentors of EVERY kind. They just make me feel so inferior. Besides, if you aren’t smart enough to figure things out yourself, then you need to get the hell off the grid.

Lindenworld! Learn it or leave it!

I’d expect a struggle though. Some of those Helpers and Mentors really depend on getting their regular….uh….well, they don’t actually get anything at all. BUT, those titles are pretty snappy. And all those free drinks they get at the….uh…wherever.

So Onward Truculent Soldier! Bring down the Helper Elite!

Some that have caused people for other on sl? OMG i had no idea it was so bad! we've all been wrong this whole time, the live helpers really are evil.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There area many mentors and Life Helpers that are helpful.........But it the ones that have cause problems are the the ones giving the Live Helper and Mentors a bad name. SL needs to rethink the way they hire them ........

They aren't hired. They volunteer.

If Linden Lab hired them, then they'd be Lindens.

If all you guys want is more Lindens, then say so. Stop bad-mouthing the volunteers. It shows a lack of class.

Er...we did. Read the posts. Paid, professional, courteous, supervised Lindens.

Not leftists, liberals, and lunatics who hate commercialism and capitalism and want to spike anybody they see selling land and what they view to be more than the socialist $1/meter.

IMHO, it seems like you read too much into a situation to look for conflict.

The only thing I saw you in your transcript was that this LH fellow wanted to walk away and you carried it on. And now you're just taking it further because you think "you're on to something?"

Meh.

OK, you're right : )

More like he is on something. Or needs to be

Personally, I find it highly offensive on a number of levels. The attacks on the lack of professionalism of the Live Helpers, and the Mentors. The high handed statements claiming abuse of power, and constant reference to this feted inner core (which I must admid is pretty humourous).

This is of course just simple (if it can be described as such) paranoia. Second Life, and especially the forums are certainly not helping this condition. The only thing that concerns me really however is that how such an abusive, and obviously dangerous person is still allowed to post here. Perhaps the Lindens are sitting in the office hitting F5 on this thread and passing round popcorn and beer, in their place, I probably would be.

For all his flowery rhetoric, Prokofy is nothing more than a deluded troll. He's a paranoid who sees enemies all around him who would control his freedoms to abuse others, and will stop at nothing to attack. Even when offered proof, he avoids and ignores the point so that he can continue his private war against his Feted Inner Core.

People like him make me sick!

I hope you werent wearing a mentor tag when you wrote that Sio!

Wasn't even logged in. Maybe I should get a Psychotherapist tag.

I know hun..............doh!........
I am just telling what has happened to me ok.........with the mentor.no drama here! just fact. Believe of not

Then take it up with the person in question, or report the incident to theLindens as abuse. All this is doing is tarnishing the reputations of people who go out of their way to help people.

This is beginning to be quite hilarious and tiresome at the same time. I haven't seen either of the two disgruntled post(al)ers name pop up in my LH IM box as of yet. These personal instances seem to be just that and should be handled as such with the Linden IM or email interface. Also a better idea that just struck me, both of you VOLUNTEER, yes volunteer and come straighten our ranks out. I'm sure Jack, Jeff, Nova, Jill, Haney and Nigel (sorry if I forgot anybody) will be much appreciative in you giving us the training and ethical guidance we sorely need. Thanks for reading.

You know, Sioban, it's precisely the kind of high-handed, indignant, arrogant post like this containing a direct, personal attack with a sense of impunity that keeps me coming back to defend the right of new people to push back against the attitudes of the feted inner core that hinder the game. You've all viciously attacked me, revealing your true inner nature. You're not nice. And you behave abominably.

Linden Labs created a monster when it billeted and feted you all for two years and let you become impossibly haughty and arrogant and think you run the place. You don't.

Your exaggerated accounts of my very legitimate points simply serve to add to the frenzy. I'm not a deluded troll, I'm a high-paying customer interested in a game space that has room for many more other high-paying customers. There's no proof that any of you have offered me that you aren't anything but an unaware, self-referential, arrogant bunch determined to hang on to your pixelated power base for eternity. Your ominous threat is empty to the effect that, "the only thing that concerns me really however is that how such an abusive, and obviously dangerous person is still allowed to post here". It is a PERFECT example of this problem of your perception that YOU run the game and YOU can prod the LIndens into removing a player who hasn't done anything wrong just because you don't like what they say about the privileged few. I haven't done a thing to violate the TOS and I've presented points that in fact a lot of people both on the forums and in the game AGREE WITH inspite of all of you and your constant intimidation.

The feted inner core idea was a literary device to get people to think. Don't confuse literature with paranoia. It sure has gotten people talking, hmm? You even have a title over your head in the game with that slogan now, hmm? People are even wearing t-shirts! Anyone studying this game impartially knows I'm on to something. It wouldn't make you so furious if I wasn't. There are some real problems with the Live Helpers and Mentors business. Indeed, that's half the reason why the Lindens started this "Concierge" thing because they realize that Live Help is inadequate and Mentor becomes more of an obstacle than a help for certain "power gamers".

You did not read part of my later remarks. I said dealt with good Life help and mentors....... I am even freinds with them..........But that does not pardon the ones are not worthy........ In all groups there are always bad eggs.....in this case is not differance.

Sio, I think you hit a nerve. Good job he doesnt do insults or attacks!

Wow! So much energy and effort wasted on nothing.

If all of this energy was put back into helping newbies and others in the community rather than complaining about those who volunteer their time, think of what could be done!

Reporting abuse gets you NOWHERE. Nobody does anything except send you back a numbered trouble ticket, disappear forever, and you have NO IDEA whether your report was accepted and the person punished, or not. That's why it is worth holding public discussions on forums because some percentage of it gets through to the Lindens. Believe me, the Lindens dreamed up their Concierge idea precisely because valued players like Schwanson were complaining about buggy private islands and crappy service.

In fact, this person I encountered with his fuck-you hedonism attitude didn't violate the TOS. And I haven't violated the TOS. But the point is that there is a kind of courtesy and ethics that ought to more universally obtain in a game involving commercialism and market economics. The Lindens treated you all to a socialist commune and a tekkie wiki for two years. But now it's opened up and commercialized and consumer-based and run as a market. It's caused a good deal of friction just like the Soviet Union collapsing and everyone running for cover. A few oligarchs are making out good for having early privatized the state's assets. And lots of old ladies are forced to sell their wilting cucumbers on the street to survive. But in the end, the market will be a more democratic system that will help everyone to flourish. For that to succeed, the old Party members in the Central Committee will have to realize that all their special state shops and subsidies are ending.

there's a billeted inner core too? omg!

um.....i think people are doing that cause it's funny. like if you came running in out of breath and yelled "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!" and people put that on a t-shirt it wouldn't mean all our base really are belong to you. the "feted inner core" thing doesn't make people furious. it makes them laugh. cause it's funny. haha.

Hank, I spend many, many hours of my game time helping newbies including a number I brought into the game, and helping people with land searches and purchases and figuring out tier, etc. I spend a lot of time explaining the meaning of everything from tier to FPS. I run some projects breaking even or even at a loss for this dedication. I don't expect any credit for this. It's just my experiment. But these efforts are often thwarted by this incredibly high-handed and arrogant attitude in the game started and perpetuated by, for lack of a better term, the feted inner core.

Why don't you direct your indignation at those who have spent hours and miles of forum space answering me to uphold their privileged, arrogant position?

And frankly, I *will* go on complaining about these few who volunteered in Live Help who are ineffectual or worse, discouraging game play among high-paying customers, because I think it is for the overall good of the game. I wouldn't do it otherwise. I think Live Help is a crappily run system. It doesn't work. Many people don't use it because it's a joke. But you think we should all bow down to it merely because it is made up of volunteers, including some of your old player friends.

Why?

We are consumers. In a marketplace. And we are demanding better service.

well you are anyway.

There is some confusion between issues..........People have had their own share of problems with mentors and Life Helpers...So saying they never make mistakes really is not true. Grant you the Live Helpers and mentors are there for us and we should repect them. But if the quility of them is less then the standard set by Sl then they should be remove.
OMG saying that the good reps of all Live helper and mentors? OMG thats is far fron the truth.there are bad eggs in this group...........Standards for Live helper and mentors are set for a reason.....for the over all health of the game.......

*shrug* Then I was obviously on the right track, at least somewhere.