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Toni Bentham
M2 Fashion Editor
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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03-16-2006 12:07
What, exactly, do you think happens to dogs that maul people? Fine, I'm not in favor of that either. Happy? There is, however, a difference between people and other animals. We're not, for example, allowed to kill other people and sell them at McDonald's. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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03-16-2006 12:09
Fine, I'm not in favor of that either. Happy? As long as we're clear. I'm in favor of putting down mad dogs, myself. Canine or Homo. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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03-16-2006 12:11
Several people on this thread have expressed a sentiment that I believe can fairly be rephrased as 'Killing other human beings is never... ever... acceptable.' I am curious... is killing in self-defense acceptable? And no, I am not drawing the same parallel I was a bit ago (executing extremely dangerous offenders to protect society), I mean private-citizen-in-peril self-defense. Killing never being acceptable under any circumstances seems, to me, to have the same logical flaw as total pacifism... if not all parties involved subscribe to the same belief, then one party is at a truly tragic disadvantage. If a person wants to believe that, I can respect it. It takes a lot of conviction to allow yourself to die for an ideal, and I can respect that sort of conviction. I do not, however, agree with it. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
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03-16-2006 13:24
People, people, if you want longer or stiffer sentences for child molesters, you have got to take it up with the lawmakers! There is no life terms or death sentences for child molesters at this time! Just because we all find it reprehensible and unforgivable, the one thing we can all agree on, doesn't mean it is a capital offense. Bill O'Reilly has been campaigning for this ever since the murder of Jessica Lundsford. He's been trying to get Jessica's Law or Megan's Law enacted in all 50 states. http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/ -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
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Cartridge Partridge
Noodly appendage
Join date: 13 Sep 2004
Posts: 999
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03-16-2006 13:46
no matter what you did you still have one right, it is to live, cause killingsomeone for his crimes place you at a rank even lower than the said person, you justify a crime by hiding behind law when it's just a low level vengeance need ^ Gospel. _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 13:49
Kiamat, I really think you need to take a deep breath and take a step back from the forums for a bit. You are calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal, when that may be far from the truth. You are making sweeping generalizations, making yet another topic with lots of grey areas black and white. Are you going to put to death a 12 y/o who molests a younger sibling?
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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03-16-2006 13:56
Kiamat, I really think you need to take a deep breath and take a step back from the forums for a bit. You are calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal, when that may be far from the truth. You are making sweeping generalizations, making yet another topic with lots of grey areas black and white. Are you going to put to death a 12 y/o who molests a younger sibling? is he muslim? does he beleive in abortion? _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Lianne Marten
Cheese Baron
Join date: 6 May 2004
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03-16-2006 14:09
There is, however, a difference between people and other animals. We're not, for example, allowed to kill other people and sell them at McDonald's. We're not? ... I'll ah... be right back... _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
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03-16-2006 14:14
Kiamat, I really think you need to take a deep breath and take a step back from the forums for a bit. You are calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal, when that may be far from the truth. You are making sweeping generalizations, making yet another topic with lots of grey areas black and white. Are you going to put to death a 12 y/o who molests a younger sibling? As for the 12yo-it would depend on the severity of the crime and the individual. (ie, is he mentally retarded). I can tell you for certain, I'd have them locked up and watched very closely. But, if a 12yo was having sex with an infant on the internet--yeah, I'd fry that little bastard, too. -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 14:17
is he muslim? does he beleive in abortion? Bad Mulch!  _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 14:19
You want me to take a break so I can stop taking you to task over your immorality. You want to get back to your moral relativistic, grey area, happy place. I'm calling these people Liberal because their actions clearly indicate they are. As for the 12yo-it would depend on the severity of the crime and the individual. (ie, is he mentally retarded). I can tell you for certain, I'd have them locked up and watched very closely. But, if a 12yo was having sex with an infant on the internet--yeah, I'd fry that little bastard, too. -Kiamat Dusk What immorality is that? Just because I don't think child molestation warrants the death penalty? Or is it my pro-choice stance that bothers you more? _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
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03-16-2006 14:25
What immorality is that? Just because I don't think child molestation warrants the death penalty? Or is it my pro-choice stance that bothers you more? Hmmmm....that's a tough call.... Your compassion for child molestors vs your utter lack thereof for unborn children... I think, in the end, what bothers me the most... ...is the fact that you're going out with Lecktor! -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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03-16-2006 14:35
Hmmmm....that's a tough call.... Your compassion for child molestors vs your utter lack thereof for unborn children... I think, in the end, what bothers me the most... ...is the fact that you're going out with Lecktor! -Kiamat Dusk Eat your heart out !  _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 14:36
Hmmmm....that's a tough call.... Your compassion for child molestors vs your utter lack thereof for unborn children... I think, in the end, what bothers me the most... ...is the fact that you're going out with Lecktor! -Kiamat Dusk You'd be surprised the views we share Kiamat... *edit: and when I say "we" I mean Lecktor and I* Besides, he doesn't date guys   post 666!_____________________
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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03-16-2006 15:19
Besides, he doesn't date guys Burn!!!! Hey Neehai, I think I know a way to prove Kermsmit Wrong! _____________________
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Elspeth Withnail
Completely Trustworthy
Join date: 24 Jan 2005
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03-16-2006 16:10
Kiamat, I really think you need to take a deep breath and take a step back from the forums for a bit. You are calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal, when that may be far from the truth. You are making sweeping generalizations, making yet another topic with lots of grey areas black and white. Are you going to put to death a 12 y/o who molests a younger sibling? Kiamat does oversimplify, IMO. And some of the folks leaning to the far Left seem to me to have an equally unrealistic view. A twelve-year-old? Child sexual experimentation happens. It isn't always pretty, no. It sometimes winds up with a kid being hurt. Sometimes badly. It isn't the same as being a sexual predator. Not in the same ball game, not really the same sport... it's like comparing flag football to full-contact tackle played by NFL veterans. That twelve year old probably isn't going to go on to film himself raping an 18-month-old, trade that video to other pedophilic predators, and plan to do it over and over again. I trust that does not seem like a small difference? See, this is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand, about this issue. Yeah, sexual predators are sick. They're insane. They need help. They do deserve some compassion, because the roots of their illness often stem from childhood abuse that they themselves suffered. But they're also not going to change... there is no effective treatment for it. Even chemical castration does not prevent their harming another child, because the urge is not wholly sexual. Their rate of recidivism is astonishingly high... if you compare their sickness to an addiction, compare it to heroin. If they are imprisoned, even on a life sentence, they might eventually win parole or escape... and they are, by their very nature, compelled to find a victim that fits their preferred profile, and show that victim what Hell is like. So I'll phrase it this way: Sexual predators need a bullet. Is that better? |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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03-16-2006 16:13
So I'll phrase it this way: Sexual predators need a bullet. Is that better? And I'm opposed to State sanctioned MURDER. That clear enough? _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
Posts: 2,505
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03-16-2006 16:24
Nope, not any better. If you want maximum sentences changed you need to get in touch with your lawmakers. In case you hadn't noticed I think these criminals in particular should get the longest sentence available with no chance of parole, PLUS counselling.
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
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03-16-2006 16:32
Nope, not any better. If you want maximum sentences changed you need to get in touch with your lawmakers. In case you hadn't noticed I think these criminals in particular should get the longest sentence available with no chance of parole, PLUS counselling. Mmmm...18mos with no chance of parole-that'll teach em! -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 16:33
Mmmm...18mos with no chance of parole-that'll teach em! -Kiamat Dusk 18 months is far too short a term. I'm talking 20 yrs at least. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
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03-16-2006 16:33
You'd be surprised the views we share Kiamat... *edit: and when I say "we" I mean Lecktor and I* Besides, he doesn't date guys post 666!WTF!? Lecktor is a guy now!?  I give up. -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Elspeth Withnail
Completely Trustworthy
Join date: 24 Jan 2005
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03-16-2006 16:34
And I'm opposed to State sanctioned MURDER. That clear enough? I have strong opinions on this subject. So do you. I'll leave it at that, because further debate would be pointless for either of us. |
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
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03-16-2006 16:35
WTF!? Lecktor is a guy now!? I give up. -Kiamat Dusk Always has been! _____________________
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Toni Bentham
M2 Fashion Editor
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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03-17-2006 06:14
Bill O'Reilly has been campaigning for this ever since the murder of Jessical Lundsford. Well, anybody from Fox "News" being in support of it makes it even less likely to be a good idea. O'Reilly quadruply so. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
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03-17-2006 10:52
Well, anybody from Fox "News" being in support of it makes it even less likely to be a good idea. O'Reilly quadruply so. Great. So now we have you on record as saying that mandatory 25 year sentences for child molestors not a good idea. Thank you. -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
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