Is Religion allowed in School?

Of course you can't like me any less. You hate my opinions. I have not been rude to you or her, but I can show you many, many posts from her that is beyond rude. But the fact she is your friend obscures your ability to see both sides of an issue. Shall I post her attacks on my faith, my sanity, my opinions, and my value as a human? It would be deleted in the forum she controls, as she banned me for two weeks for stating my opinion and asking for evidence of breaking rules. The fact she is stepping down is evidence many people don't like her personal attacks against those whith whom she disagrees. No one likes it when people abuse their power. When she deleted my posts requesting what I did to break the rules, she said I will not be allowed to question her or her friend (the other one with power to kill threads). She deleted any agrument I had that showed a hypocrisy on their part.

What is really sad is people who espouse free thought and freedom of speech are the very people who will abuse their power to silence their opponents. I don't mean this to be a personal attack, it's just how things are as I see them (my opinion).

The main point is, I didn't personally attack her or her faith. I treat others with respect, and wouldn't treat my worst enemy the way she treats me.

This very post attacks both Ulrika and Pendari. Do you not see that? At any rate I'm reporting it.

The numbers she stated are totally off if one takes into consideration real polls of reasons parents homeschool.

The large majority do so to gve their children a chance at a decent education, which includes an education in religion. When I get the time I'll provide some actual data.

Thank you Siro.

And honestly, this is a thread about Religion in public schools. I could talk on and on about homeschooling, but it is really off topic. I had just wanted to counter the one point made because it is a real misconception that homeschooling is still most right-wing christians. The resurgence to homeschooling didn't start that way either, it just became that way for a while due to politics. At any rate, homeschooling is for another thread. I'll not take this one off-topic any more.

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Thanky,

I never report any posts, regardless of how rude I find them. It's up to us as adults to work things out. But please, feel free to report all my posts. To date I haven't been warned. Hopefully that record will hold.

What are the most popular reasons for homeschooling?
As part of the 2003 National Household Education Survey, respondents who homeschooled their children were asked why they chose to do so. Their three most popular responses were: 1) concern about the environment of other schools, 2) a desire for religious or moral instruction, and 3) dissatisfaction with the academic instruction available at other schools.

http://www.reason.com/0504/fe.gb.facts.shtml

I seriously doubt that.

How does this differ from Pendari's observation of her own Homeschooling group?

What poll?

Do you really think you're the best-equipped person to carry on these types of debates? You've been getting slapped around sily in this forum for two weeks by a dozen different people without the slightest victory to show for it. It's like some kind of twisted sadomasochistic game between you and your detractors.

~Ulrika~

Ask a linden to verify it for you, tell them I have given my consent to release my forum disipline history.

A question comes to mind, why would you doubt it? I haven't attacked you or anyone else personally or broke any rules of intolerance, as you suggested in the forum you two control. Stating what happened isn't a personal attack. A personal attack would be like comparing my opinion to a chimpanzee flinging poopy, but it's still permitted as far as I know, as I don't think you were repremanded for it, were you?

How about NOT teaching ANY sort of religion in school?

Faiths and beliefs can always be tought externaly, and thts where they belong.

The only thing about religions that should be tought in school is the fact that they exist, and pointing out their different world views. But dwelling into teaching the religion itself should not be concidered part of the actuall education course - its simply irrelevent, and does not really provide you with any practical real-world skills all in all.

Comparing one's post to a chimp fling poopy is not a personal attack. It's a comment on a post or even an opinion. In this case --the poopy being invectives directed at others.

Stating that a community of people or an individual are engaging in partisan censorship and acting as petty dictators IS a personal attack.

I don't need a Linden to verify whether you had been warned. As a moderator of the Neualtenburg forums, I warned you myself --specifically for griefing the forums and engaging in personal attack.

What CrystalShard said, plus I would like to add that religion and faith are very personal things and should be taught at home... if the parents decide to teach it at all. Having strangers mess around with it is not something I would like if I had kids... and I'm guessing most parents would agree with me on this.

Leilany

Here's the problem with leaving religion to church and home.....

Children spend 5 days a week, 7 hours a day in school, when they finally get home they must do chores and tons of homework. If there is time, they often have sports, music or some other interests. If parents get 30 minutes with their child per day, it's a lot. On the weekends parents and kids prefer to relax and enjoy, altho they must also go shopping, do yard work, work on the house, clean the car, etc etc. Many parents work Saturday. Church seldomly offers religious teachings beyond what is heard in a sermon. Some offer Sunday school, but only for an hour or less a week.

My question to those who don't think religion should be discussed in schools...

Do you fear your child or other children will believe there is a God?

No. I fear they'll receive a substandard educaction because their time was wasted with nonsense.

So it is your belief that children should have more exposure to religion than adults?

Honestly, my biggest fear is people like you will change the educational system to insert mandatory religious training into a child's curriculum. I do not want religion polluting my child's education at home or at school in any way whatsoever.

~Ulrika~

Well, there is always homeschooling, like religious people have to do to protect their kids from the atheist agenda.

You have teh smartz.

~Ulrika~

I personally do not fear this. It is not why I'm opposed to religion in the schools. There are just so very many types of religions and within those religions even further divisions. There would be no possible way to fairly cover them all. Forget that it would sacrifice *some* time away from reading, writing, history, science, math etc... To do it right, and teach about them all, you would have to totally do away with all other subjects.

Two questions for you:

1. Do you fear your children won't learn about God if they go to a government school?

2. If Wiccan was the mainstream religion in this country, would you still want religion taught in schools?

Don't forget private schools.

Depends on the school's cirriculium. A catholic school would do it, but pubic school? Nah, shouldnt be taught cuz its pubic! meaning that its open to all religions. Only thing tshould be allowed is salutuing the flag. nuff said, lata meatbags

hehe, I love how objective knowledge and science are "the atheist agenda" *cue menacing music* Kevn, your view of reality is so horrendously skewed due to religious propaganda, YOU are why I don't want religion taught in schools. You're a perfect walking, talking example of how badly religious education can screw people up and hinder their ability to use logic, reason, and rationalism.

And while we're at it --Can we please take "under God" out of the Pledge of Alliegance?
In fact --Can we make saying the Pledge voluntary?

I am so sick of this new breed of christo-fascists. How do real Christians tolerate these jack-booted bible thumpers anyway?