Is Religion allowed in School?

For the record, generally speaking, Plato was a moron.

The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05.

Logos


(l´gs) (KEY) [Gr.,=word], in Greek and Hebrew metaphysics, the unifying principle of the world. The central idea of the Logos is that it links God and man, hence any system in which the Logos plays a part is monistic. The Greek Heraclitus held (c.500 B.C.) that the world is animated and kept in order by fire—this fire is the Logos; it is the power of order in the world and the order itself. It thus became the unifying feature of the Heraclitean system. The Stoics (see Stoicism) were influenced in part by Platonism and Aristotelianism in their conception of the Logos. To them God was immanent in the world, its vitalizing force, and God as the law guiding the universe they called Logos; with the additional idea that all things develop from this force, it is called the Spermaticos Logos. The Logos reappears in Greek philosophy in a much restricted form in the system of emanations of Neoplatonism. Certain books of the Old Testament present a principle called the Wisdom of God active in the world. At the same time there was a very ancient Hebrew idea of the Word of God, also active in the world. Thus the Wisdom and the Word of God, sometimes quasi-distinct from Him, coalesced. Philo, in his synthesis of Judaism and Greek thought, naturally hit upon the Logos as a union between the systems; hence his Logos retains qualities both of the Stoic Logos and the Hebrew Word of God. Philo’s God is remote, unaffected by the world, without attributes, unmoving; hence He must have mediation to connect Him with the world. At times Philo’s Logos is independent of God (because of God’s remoteness); at other times the Logos is simply the Reason of God (because Philo’s monism obliges God to act in the world through His mediating forces). St. John in his Gospel adapted the term to his purpose. In the prologue of 14 verses the idea of the Gospel is stated clearly and simply. The Logos, which is the eternal God, took flesh and became man, in time. The Logos is Jesus. The impersonal, remote God of Philo is not there; the intermediate Logos, neither God nor man, has been replaced by a Logos that is both God and man. This explanation of the relation of God and man became an abiding feature of Christian thought.

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What have we learned? (and yes, I do read ALL of these threads in their entirety)

Different people have different beliefs.

Kevn, you know, at one point I had some empathy for you, but honestly, what are you trying to prove here? You've proven that you won't be swayed, just as those you are debating with have. How much back and forth is necessary? It's already been weeks, will it take months? Years? You're not going to convince the folks on the other side of this debate, no matter how long or hard you try.

Is that why a gooey easy to manipulate toy was named after him??

I understand that, but having the discussion opens minds that aren't contributing to the discussion. I don't hope to open the minds of those who are set in their ways. Just as it's highly unlikely I will be swayed from my fundamental beliefs by the types of arguments seen here.

I don't see it as a waste of time. For those who do see it as an endless loop, or a discussion that can't solve the issue, I woud say just ignore the thread. I certainly ignore all the "ask me" threads by choice.

Have you noticed off-topic increased in readership during the time these hard to solve issues have been debated?

Indeed. Because Christians stole their religion from the Catholics, and Catholics stole their religion from the Pagans. Hense why super fundamental christians won't celebrate any of the holidays like Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc.

The term Christian was actually meant as an insult by both Romans and Jews.

For the most part is still is

Ummm. No. Christians (before the took that name) were not known as anything, but followed The Way... The term Christian was actually meant as an insult by both Romans and Jews. In a short time, they took the name as a badge of honor in following their Lord Jesus Christ. Christians were around well before the first universal (Catholic) church was instituted.

As far as holidays, you are very correct there. They were added to the Catholic church's list of holidays to down play / engulf pagan holidays. Not all at once, but as Roman (and later Papal) rulers deemed necessary. That does not mean that Christians do not still covet some of these holidays in a way to honor their Savior.

You are both incorrect. The Christians, and the Moslems too, stole their religions from the Jews.

You are both incorrect. The Christians, and the Moslems too, stole their religions from the Jews.

Hey I have an idea for a new debate! Since I am Jewish why not teach it in public schools and start every day with reading a passage from the Torah? Makes sense to me.

Screw the Constitution, common sense and logic. My faith tells me it is the way to go.

You are both incorrect. The Christians, and the Moslems too, stole their religions from the Jews.

Hey I have an idea for a new debate! Since I am Jewish why not teach it in public schools and start every day with reading a passage from the Torah? Makes sense to me.

Screw the Constitution, common sense and logic. My faith tells me it is the way to go.

Only if we can have noodle kugel and brisket for lunch.

I can believe this. Though the christian/catholic holidays (at least the big ones) were taken from the pagan festival traditions. They just stole their laws and commandments from the jewish religion. At least the ones they liked. hehe

'At least the ones they liked'? Christians are to try to abide be every single one of them.

So I assume you will stone your children to death if they're not obediant, and will stone your wife to death is she is unfaithful? I certainly hope you don't eat shellfish!

'At least the ones they liked'? Christians are to try to abide be every single one of them (the commandments).

seems to me you guys kind of wuss out on #2.

'At least the ones they liked'? Christians are to try to abide be every single one of them (the commandments).

Oh. I understand that. And see nothing wrong with it. It is just that the entire old testament was a prophesy of Jesus coming. The "works" done in the Old Testament were no longer necessary after Christ's blood was shed.

And while following the commandments is noble, the laws are not what "saves" a person.

Ephesians 2:8 and 2:9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

EDIT TO ADD: Of course the Jewish religion will not feel the same about the Old Testament. As they are still waiting for their savior.

Why is that?

graven images.