Is Religion allowed in School?

While I say the pledge now at various functions, I always say it the old way and leave out the Under God. But growing up my mother didn't want me saying the pledge in school. So she wrote a note excusing me from it. My four years in High School though, I had a homeroom teacher (who also ended up being my American History, World History, International Relations, and Economics teacher) who did not make the students say the pledge if they did not want to. Only four would stand up to say it. I started standing to say it by my junior year, for my own reasons and despite my mother's protests. hehe..

This is what I've been trying to say all along.

~Ulrika~

Isn't the pledge of alligence worship of an idol?

Your statement should be framed as a poster child for the atheist agenda

Re: schooling the very young -


Kevn, point of fact, science education really doesn't begin until middle or upper school just about anywhere in the world.

Sure, the kiddies grow a bean plant in kindergarten, but biology, geology &c are simply not taught, beyond "rain makes the flowers grow." Appalling, really, but that's what happens.

Nobody mentions god at the supermarket when buying eggs - does this serve an atheist agenda as well?

Or is omission of all things 'cosmic' simply not relevant, as most people in the forum contend?



As someone I hope you would... understand is not out to 'get' you in any way, I have to say there is valid, serious concern when you suggest instructing our young, impressionable children in the ways of your beliefs.

This is evangelism, pure and simple.

- Desmond Shang

I agree with him though, and I'm not an atheist.

It's the bias of friendship.

Ahh.. Of course. Because I don't have a mind of my own. Righhht.

I have posted evidence in the form of the actual constitution to show teaching religion in school to any age child it constitutional. I didn't comment on other posters motives. Yet several of you, who are friends, attack my opinion, disregard my points about the constitution and then insist I'm a danger because of my opinions. Now, I must ask the question, who is more dangerous, those who seek to judge others for their opinion, and seek to shut down opinions contrary to their own....... or those who hold strong opinions?

"Instead, therefore, of putting the Bible and Testament into the hands of the children at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious inquiries, their memories may here be stored with the most useful facts from Grecian, Roman, European and American history." ~Thomas Jefferson

which one are you again?

yes, yes, now scroll back to all the quotes I posted from George Washington

hmmm.. And *many* of us used the constitution and quotes from the founders who wrote it to counter your points. Yet you didn't come to this discussion wanting other opinions. You just want to state your own and anyone who disagrees with you is just "supporting their friends". If you want to write a monologe about just your opinions, with no disagreement or input from others, you should start your own blog. This is a "discussion" board. I'm sorry you are confused.

This might amuse you --George Washington didn't write the Constitution.

As I already pointed out, Washington was not a religious man, which you would know if you read actual history rather than manufactured propaganda written to aid the Christian agenda without regard for the truth. Those "personal prayers" of Washinton's are fabrications.

Well, show me a post where I try to shut down a discussion or judged others for their opinion?

NM, I know your answer... "Request Denied" like when I asked to see the evidence that suggested I broke your forum rules, just before getting banned and getting my posts deleted. It's ok to say I broke your rules and refuse to give evidence for it though, because you two are the forum moderators over there.

You haven't. You're much too busy yelling "lalalalalalalalalala" while sticking your fingers in your ears.

Washington, like myself, was religious in the sense he firmly believed in God. Because a person isn't a churchy Christian doesn't mean he isn'tChristian. After all, the disciples didn't go to a christian church, they met in homes and on hills, under trees.

Read his quotes concerning children learning religion in school.

I feel the same about you, but it's not a way to debate issues. Your point isn't debate at all.

And just because a person isn't Christian, doesn't mean they don't believe in God. Or another way of saying that too would be.. Just because a person believes in God, it does not mean they are a Christian.

Yep.

Posting a deleted post is rather against the point of a deleted post. I'm not going to advertise your offensive posts for you, nor am I going to get sucked into a trap of debating why they were deleted. You posted offensive material, you were deleted. period.


As far as shutting down discussion and judging others? I'll let your posting history speak for itself.

Excellent, and I'll do the same for you.

We addressed this already. He was speaking about native american children learning the ways of Europeans in order to better fit in with their conquerors.

please do --because they'll get a better idea from seeing the whole picture rather than the piecemeal out of context portions you treat them to.