Is Religion allowed in School?

Nothing in any of that suggests children can't be taught religion in school. No religion is being established.

Here is the meat:

Article VI, Section 3: “...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...”

Teaching religions doesn't do these things.

This is what the courts stand on when stating no religion is allowed in school. The founders made the constitution short and simple. They wanted anyone to understand it. The founders never suggested religion be outside of the scope of primary education either.

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

The key phrase is "Congress shall make no law" which indicates the leash is on congress, not local school boards.

The idea is to give children a well rounded education. Education of religions is fundamental.

Ye gods there is a clear seperation of church and state in the constitution for good reasons. It is written out very clearly and not up for debate unless you are some sort of communinist or something.

Teaching ANY sort of religion in governement funded schools is clearly a violation of what this country is founded on and is illegal to boot.

How on earth can someone think this is OK? I don't get it at all.

I suggest that whoever started this thread please stop trying to force Christianity down other peoples's throats because a Second Life Forum ain't going to get you many converts. Your best best is to stand on a street corner in first life and hope some heathen listens to you.

Apparently 91-97% of Americans are educated in some form of religion or another. This is much higher than our Literacy rate. We must be doing a good job here. I suggest we refocus on more pressing educational needs.

Should Literacy be taught in our schools? If yes, why isn't it?

Considering that until the mid-nineteenth-century every child was homeschooled, and taught the beliefs of their own parents at home, and that public "government" schools were not even thought of, I doubt our founding fathers would have thought such horrid institutions would have been built. Thus not seeing a need to include "school" in their argument against "state and religion" mixing.

Based on their beliefs though, I'd say if they didn't find religion sutible for adults, they would have found it appaling and abusive for children.

Reading religious books would slow this process?

why?

By god I couldn't have said it better myself. Now that you mention it it really is a form of child abuse.

In most public schools, there is commonly a minute of silence at the beginning of the day with morning announcements. This can be used to pray, meditate, or snooze for a minute. Religion is not typically studied in Elementary schools as far as I know unless there is a special unit on it for older children like 5th grade and up.

I don't think that the children of that young age have the mental capacity to study several religions which would probably be the case. Studying one religion in public school wouldn't seem fair to other religions. So I think they stay away from it altogether in Elmentary.

Unless you go to a religious based school. Churches sometimes host their own elementary and high schools which allow for this type of curriculum. If parents want their children to study their normal curriculum along with a religious focus, they can go there. But it costs of course. Then your child is expected to abide by whatever religious beliefs that the school lives by and practice them daily.

That's my knowledgebase on the matter.

Here's some of the history

Historical Timeline of Public Education in the US

1647 The General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony decrees that every town of fifty families should have an elementary school and that every town of 100 families should have a Latin school. The goal is to ensure that Puritan children learn to read the Bible and receive basic information about their Calvinist religion.
1779 Thomas Jefferson proposes a two-track educational system, with different tracks in his words for "the laboring and the learned." Scholarship would allow a very few of the laboring class to advance, Jefferson says, by "raking a few geniuses from the rubbish."
1785 The Continental Congress (before the U.S. Constitution was ratified) passes a law calling for a survey of the "Northwest Territory" which included what was to become the state of Ohio. The law created "townships," reserving a portion of each township for a local school. From these "land grants" eventually came the U.S. system of "land grant universities," the state public universities that exist today. Of course in order to create these townships, the Continental Congress assumes it has the right to give away or sell land that is already occupied by Native people.
1790 Pennsylvania state constitution calls for free public education but only for poor children. It is expected that rich people will pay for their children's schooling.
1805 New York Public School Society formed by wealthy businessmen to provide education for poor children. Schools are run on the "Lancasterian" model, in which one "master" can teach hundreds of students in a single room. The master gives a rote lesson to the older students, who then pass it down to the younger students. These schools emphasize discipline and obedience qualities that factory owners want in their workers.
1817 A petition presented in the Boston Town Meeting calls for establishing of a system of free public primary schools. Main support comes from local merchants, businessmen and wealthier artisans. Many wage earners oppose it, because they don't want to pay the taxes.
1820 First public high school in the U.S., Boston English, opens.
1827 Massachusetts passes a law making all grades of public school open to all pupils free of charge.
1830s By this time, most southern states have laws forbidding teaching people in slavery to read. Even so, around 5 percent become literate at great personal risk.
1820-1860 The percentage of people working in agriculture plummets as family farms are gobbled up by larger agricultural businesses and people are forced to look for work in towns and cities. At the same time, cities grow tremendously, fueled by new manufacturing industries, the influx of people from rural areas and many immigrants from Europe. During the 10 years from 1846 to 1856, 3.1 million immigrants arrive a number equal to one eighth of the entire U.S. population. Owners of industry needed a docile, obedient workforce and look to public schools to provide it.
1836 Slave-owner James Bowie and Indian-killer Davy Crockett are among those killed in the Battle of the Alamo in Texas, in their attempt to take Texas by force from Mexico.
1837 Horace Mann becomes head of the newly formed Massachusetts State Board of Education. Edmund Dwight, a major industrialist, thinks a state board of education was so important to factory owners that he offered to supplement the state salary with extra money of his own.
1840s Over a million Irish immigrants arrive in the United States, driven out of their homes in Ireland by the potato famine. Irish Catholics in New York City struggle for local neighborhood control of schools as a way of preventing their children from being force-fed a Protestant curriculum.
1845 The United States annexes Texas.
1846 President James Polk orders the invasion of Mexico.
1848 Massachusetts Reform School at Westboro opens, where children who have refused to attend public schools are sent. This begins a long tradition of "reform schools," which combine the education and juvenile justice systems.
1848 The war against Mexico ends with the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which gives the United States almost half of what was then Mexico. This includes all of what is now the U.S. Southwest, plus parts of Utah, Nevada and Wyoming and most of California.
The treaty guarantees citizenship rights to everyone living in these areas mostly Mexicans and Native people. It also guarantees the continued use of the Spanish language, including in education. One hundred fifty years later, in 1998, California breaks that treaty, by passing Proposition 227, which would make it illegal for teachers to speak Spanish in public schools.
1851 State of Massachusetts passes first its compulsory education law. The goal is to make sure that the children of poor immigrants get "civilized" and learn obedience and restraint, so they make good workers and don't contribute to social upheaval.
1864 Congress makes it illegal for Native Americans to be taught in their native languages. Native children as young as four years old are taken from their parents and sent to Bureau of Indian Affairs off-reservation boarding schools, whose goal, as one BIA official put it, is to "kill the Indian to save the man."
1865-1877 African Americans mobilize to bring public education to the South for the first time. After the Civil War, and with the legal end of slavery, African Americans in the South make alliances with white Republicans to push for many political changes, including for the first time rewriting state constitutions to guarantee free public education. In practice, white children benefit more than Black children.
1877-1900 Reconstruction ends in 1877 when federal troops, which had occupied the South since the end of the Civil War are withdrawn. Whites regain political control of the South and lay the foundations of legal segregation.
1893-1913 Size of school boards in the country's 28 biggest cities is cut in half. Most local district (or "ward" based positions are eliminated, in favor of city-wide elections. This means that local immigrant communities lose control of their local schools. Makeup of school boards changes from small local businessmen and some wage earners to professionals (like doctors and lawyers), big businessmen and other members of the richest classes.
1896 Plessy v. Ferguson decision. The U.S. Supreme Court rules that the state of Louisiana has the right to require "separate but equal" railroad cars for Blacks and whites. This decision means that the federal government officially recognizes segregation as legal. One result is that southern states pass laws requiring racial segregation in public schools.
1905 The U.S. Supreme Court requires California to extend public education to the children of Chinese immigrants.
1917 Smith-Hughes Act passes, providing federal funding for vocational education. Big manufacturing corporations push this, because they want to remove job skill training from the apprenticeship programs of trade unions and bring it under their own control.
1924 An act of Congress makes Native Americans U.S. citizens for the first time.
1930-1950 The NAACP brings a series of suits over unequal teachers' pay for Blacks and whites in southern states. At the same time, southern states realize they are losing African American labor to the northern cities. These two sources of pressure resulted in some increase of spending on Black schools in the South.
1932 A survey of 150 school districts reveals that three quarters of them are using so-called intelligence testing to place students in different academic tracks.
1945 At the end of World War 2, the G.I. Bill of Rights gives thousands of working class men college scholarships for the first time in U.S. history.
1948 Educational Testing Service is formed, merging the College Entrance Examination Board, the Cooperative Test Service, the Graduate Records Office, the National Committee on Teachers Examinations and others, with huge grants from the Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations. These testing services continued the work of eugenicists like Carl Brigham (originator of the SAT) who did research "proving" that immigrants were feeble-minded.
1954 Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. The Supreme Court unanimously agrees that segregated schools are "inherently unequal" and must be abolished. Almost 45 years later in 1998, schools, especially in the north, are as segregated as ever.
1957 A federal court orders integration of Little Rock, Arkansas public schools. Governor Orval Faubus sends his National Guard to physically prevent nine African American students from enrolling at all-white Central High School. Reluctantly, President Eisenhower sends federal troops to enforce the court order not because he supports desegregation, but because he can't let a state governor use military power to defy the U.S. federal government.
1968 African American parents and white teachers clash in the Ocean Hill-Brownsville area of New York City, over the issue of community control of the schools. Teachers go on strike, and the community organizes freedom schools while the public schools are closed.
1974 Milliken v. Bradley. A Supreme Court made up of Richard Nixon's appointees rules that schools may not be desegregated across school districts. This effectively legally segregates students of color in inner-city districts from white students in wealthier white suburban districts.
Late 1970s The so-called "taxpayers' revolt" leads to the passage of Proposition 13 in California, and copy-cat measures like Proposition 2-1/2 in Massachusetts. These propositions freeze property taxes, which are a major source of funding for public schools. As a result, in twenty years California drops from first in the nation in per-student spending in 1978 to number 43 in 1998.
1980s The federal Tribal Colleges Act establishes a community college on every Indian reservation, which allows young people to go to college without leaving their families.
1994 Proposition 187 passes in California, making it illegal for children of undocumented immigrants to attend public school. Federal courts hold Proposition 187 unconstitutional, but anti-immigrant feeling spreads across the country.
1996 Leading the way backwards again, California passes Proposition 209, which outlaws affirmative action in public employment, public contracting and public education. Other states jump on the bandwagon with their own initiatives and right wing elements hope to pass similar legislation on a federal level.
1998 California again! This time a multi-millionaire named Ron Unz manages to put a measure on the June 1998 ballot outlawing bilingual education in California.

Public Schools in the United States: Some History

http://www.arc.org/erase/timeline.html

Next time just post the link.

~Ulrika~

Learning others religion helps us understand them better. Why ignore a huge part of what make people think and do as they do?

Why did you repost it all if it was so much of a bother for you?

Since you missed it before, it is apparent that a huge demographic (over 90%) of the country are already conversant with at least 1 if not several religions. Far less than that can even read. Religion is doing SUCH a good job at education that it can easily be argued that having students study it from a book would slow their absorption of it as it is more likely they cannot read and would fail to understand the material presented to them in that manner.

Why ignore a huge part of what makes people able to function in school at all? Teach them to read.

Because religious people are bat-squeeze insane?

Just sayin'

Reading helps with the learning of reading.

That's not fair.... No one said non-religious people are insane. I think that is the bias that stops you being fair.

So mote it be.

You'll also notice that I didn't state that religious people are bat-squeeze insane.

I simply raised it as a question. Are they?

This hypothisis is as good as any others I've seen bandied about. I think we should teach this in schools to allow children to be exposed to as many veiwpoints as possible.

To demonstrate how absolutely obnoxious it is. I can guarantee there's not a single person in this thread who will read that brick wall of text.

~Ulrika~

Thank you. It's more of a query --but I'd like to see this question raised in schools if other viewpoints are allowed as well.

I have my doubts that Kevn even read it.

Censor?

It's not censorship to not teach it, but it is a waste of money when children could learn something with a utilitarian purpose. Why not teach kids to use firearms so that they'll be better prepared to defend our homes and less likely to play with guns when they see them? Are children going to pray to God when a terrorist breaks into their home and craps on their flag? God doesn't punish terrorists, He supports them. We should be spending our tax dollars, our multi-denominational tax dollars, on something we could all benefit from... Freedom.