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Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 12:48
From: Cristiano Midnight
I didn't stop Lewis from saying it, it doesn't mean you can say something and not have people respond to it. Lewis has expressed himself very clearly, over and over again. Freedom of speech does come with responsibility for your own words.



Right...


So why are people trying to silence him again? :confused:
Martin Magpie
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02-10-2006 12:48
From: Eboni Khan
I think if Lewis finds something immoral it is his right to voice his opinion.


I thought you people believed in free speech? Free speech means you can call someone a whore, and in turn they can call you a stuck up prude. Go Go Free Speech.


Claps! Well said.
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02-10-2006 12:49
From: Martin Magpie
Claps! Well said.


Make up your mind, one minute you are saying people should not be subjected to personal attacks, then you have no problem with someone being attacked as being immoral. You have also rallied against being called a whore and said that has no place in the forums.
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-10-2006 12:51
From: Eboni Khan
Right...


So why are people trying to silence him again? :confused:


I would imagine the same reason people try to silence people who make racist or homophobic statements - people generally don't like to see other people facing the prejudice of someone else. We have no ability to silence him anyway, but people can push back against someone. The whole freedom of speech argument you are touting here cuts both ways.
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02-10-2006 12:52
From: Cristiano Midnight
Make up your mind, one minute you are saying people should not be subjected to personal attacks, then you have no problem with someone being attacked as being immoral.


I'm claping for free speech. Because I see Eboni's point. Ppl are trying to silence another poster over an opinion. I am claping in the context in which I percieved her opinon to be overall not just snippets of text.
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Joy Honey
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02-10-2006 12:54
From: Eboni Khan
You are a paying customer, complain to LL. You are attacking him for his opinions and personal beliefs, which is what you are complaining about him doing. Right now you look like a hypocrite.


Actually there is a big difference between a non-profit and a profit corporation. Ask the IRS.


No, not attacking. You must have a very broad definition of what a "personal attack" is. I am stating facts. He has made moral pronouncements against a whole group of people - I believe "lowest common denominator" was the term he used. Then he says he's Christian and that Jesus caught flak for hanging out with the "lowest of the low." Then in another post, he suggests making it possible to ban an entire group from his land because he does not want SGs on his land.. Who is the hypocrite here?

Again, I guess it's ok for someone to make a blanket attack against a group they know next to nothing about.

For-profit and not-for-profit are different in IRS terms, I am NOT talking about that and you know it. But, whatever makes you feel better.
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02-10-2006 12:56
From: Cristiano Midnight
I would imagine the same reason people try to silence people who make racist or homophobic statements - people generally don't like to see other people facing the prejudice of someone else. We have no ability to silence him anyway, but people can push back against someone. The whole freedom of speech argument you are touting here cuts both ways.



Hold up now he didn't make a racist or homophobic statement at all. Prejudice?

This is a tad too dhrama-tic for me.
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02-10-2006 12:59
How about we discuss the issues. :)
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Joy Honey
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02-10-2006 13:05
From: Martin Magpie
How about we discuss the issues. :)


The real issue is just this: the Suicide Girls joined Second Life. There may or may not be a marketing deal. Everything else in this thread is moot. The business deal that may or may not have happened is just that: A BUSINESS DEAL. Therefore, none of our business unless you happen to be either a stock holder or a member of the board of either business.
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Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 13:07
From: Cristiano Midnight
I would imagine the same reason people try to silence people who make racist or homophobic statements - people generally don't like to see other people facing the prejudice of someone else. We have no ability to silence him anyway, but people can push back against someone. The whole freedom of speech argument you are touting here cuts both ways.



As we learned in the "Suicide as a last name" thread. Words mean nothing and people should stop being angry even if they are offended and just lighten up. So we can call people fags and niggers all day long, because words don't mean anything.



Yay, for intolerance! Intolerance only seems to apply to what the majority find offensive not the minority, so let the immorality and whore calling continue, it is all just words.
Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 13:08
From: Joy Honey
The real issue is just this: the Suicide Girls joined Second Life. There may or may not be a marketing deal. Everything else in this thread is moot. The business deal that may or may not have happened is just that: A BUSINESS DEAL. Therefore, none of our business unless you happen to be either a stock holder or a member of the board of either business.



So to clarify, it is none of your business then what Lewis says since you aren't a stockholder in LL. Thank you for clearing that up.
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02-10-2006 13:08
From: Joy Honey
The real issue is just this: the Suicide Girls joined Second Life. There may or may not be a marketing deal. Everything else in this thread is moot. The business deal that may or may not have happened is just that: A BUSINESS DEAL. Therefore, none of our business unless you happen to be either a stock holder or a member of the board of either business.

Brava!
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Joy Honey
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02-10-2006 13:10
From: Eboni Khan
So to clarify, it is none of your business then what Lewis says since you aren't a stockholder in LL. Thank you for clearing that up.


Just as it is none of your business what I say as you aren't either. kthxbai
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-10-2006 13:14
From: Martin Magpie
Hold up now he didn't make a racist or homophobic statement at all. Prejudice?

This is a tad too dhrama-tic for me.


I didn't say he did - prejudice comes in a lot of different forms, Martin. I was asking why people stand up against those things - because they are prejudice and they are wrong. It is equally wrong to label the women from the site as immoral, and also professional hookers (something you will also find Lewis said if you look hard enough). So again, if you are find with them being called immoral and hookers. That is not prejudice? Again, no problem with the whore thing?

From: Lewis Nerd

Maybe SL is worried about the low standard of call girls and hookers in game so they signed up a deal with a group of professionals to provide a better service?
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Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 13:17
From: Joy Honey
For-profit and not-for-profit are different in IRS terms, I am NOT talking about that and you know it. But, whatever makes you feel better.



You are the person comparing apples and oranges. You can't tell a paying customer of a service they should be silenced because they happen to (possibly illegally) work for the same company for free. You can comparing real world non-profit volunteers to virtual volunteer for a for-profit corporation. There is no comparision, so just STOP.
Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 13:18
From: Joy Honey
Just as it is none of your business what I say as you aren't either. kthxbai



Ok, Hypocrite. Whatever you say.
Eboni Khan
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02-10-2006 13:22
From: Cristiano Midnight
I didn't say he did - prejudice comes in a lot of different forms, Martin. I was asking why people stand up against those things - because they are prejudice and they are wrong. It is equally wrong to label the women from the site as immoral, and also professional hookers (something you will also find Lewis said if you look hard enough). So again, if you are find with them being called immoral and hookers. That is not prejudice? Again, no problem with the whore thing?



They are just words and don't mean anything. Please refer to the forum standard setting thread /108/27/87344/1.html . Which can also be labeled "things are only offensive when they offend you and your friends".

I believe Martin once called Torley, Taeja and several other people whore for posing naked with guns on cars like common hookers for the China Town pormotion, so I doubt Martin has an issue with SG being called whores.


Long live the whores!
Joy Honey
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02-10-2006 13:23
From: Eboni Khan
You are the person comparing apples and oranges. You can't tell a paying customer of a service they should be silenced because they happen to (possibly illegally) work for the same company for free. You can comparing real world non-profit volunteers to virtual volunteer for a for-profit corporation. There is no comparision, so just STOP.


I am not trying to silence Lewis. I just think he should be posting under an alt. Again, just my opinion. If you don't like it, I strongly suggest you mute me. Seems you are the only person trying to silence anyone. Get over yourself already. Everyone has opinions, you don't have to like the opinions of anyone.

When someone is going to post blanket attacks against an entire group of people, they better be ready for opposition and people calling the attacker into question for their own beliefs that they are touting.

No one is holding a gun to his head to volunteer to be a greeter. Personally, I hold any volunteer (for any kind of organization) to be a proxy representative of the company they are volunteering for.
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02-10-2006 13:24
This is the only warning this thread will receive - any further personal attacks toward other Residents - thinly guised or otherwise - and this thread will be closed and those responsible will be disciplined for breaking the Community Standards.
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02-10-2006 13:31
From: Jeska Linden
personal attacks toward other Residents - thinly guised or otherwise - and this thread will be closed and those responsible will be disciplined for breaking the Community Standards.


Would this include a statement to the effect that if someone is in disagreement, then they are morally bankrupt?
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02-10-2006 13:33
From: Cristiano Midnight
I didn't say he did - prejudice comes in a lot of different forms, Martin. I was asking why people stand up against those things - because they are prejudice and they are wrong. It is equally wrong to label the women from the site as immoral, and also professional hookers (something you will also find Lewis said if you look hard enough). So again, if you are find with them being called immoral and hookers. That is not prejudice? Again, no problem with the whore thing?


This too is your opinion. Again I think he has a right to his personal opinion and you have a right to yours. Well they sure as hell arn't frigid. Lets not make the mistake of calling it anything other than what it is, porn. I could care less as I don't plan on being a regular subscriber. It is not however, Art or Educational.
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02-10-2006 13:34
From: Martin Magpie
It is not however, Art or Educational.

I beg to differ. I find it very artistic and, I had to learn how to disable popups so educational as well. pffffft
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-10-2006 13:36
From: Martin Magpie
This too is your opinion. Again I think he has a right to his personal opinion and you have a right to yours. Well they sure as hell arn't frigid. Lets not make the mistake of calling it anything other than what it is, porn. I could care less as I don't plan on being a regular subscriber. It is not however, Art or Educational.


Oh I am not arguing that it is art in any way shape or form. Softcore porn/erotica, yeah. You are right that Lewis can hold the opinion that the women from the site are prostitutes and immoral. I am just curious why you don't find expressing that to be a personal attack?
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-10-2006 13:37
From: Lecktor Hannibal
I beg to differ. I find it very artistic and, I had to learn how to disable popups so educational as well. pffffft


Not to mention you learned how easy it is to short out a wireless keyboard. Lessons learned :)
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02-10-2006 13:38
From: Cristiano Midnight
Not to mention you learned how easy it is to short out a wireless keyboard. Lessons learned :)


He might have one of those super-duper keyboards that don't short out so easily ;)
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