Suicide Girls using Linden Labs to promote their product.

Then please ask Lewis to stop interjecting his opinions on the morality of anyone involved. You are right, this is purely a marketing issue, and should be a non-issue at that. Instead it has spilled across 2 locked threads and 2 currently open ones. Thankfully most of the posts have been supportive - I have faith in the kindness and open minds of people in SL overall.

NO that's how you feel, please don't speak for everyone.

More people in Second Life is always a good thing!

Especially those who stick around!

I think he has a right to his opinions just as you do.

Umm, there is a difference in volunteering for a non-profit corporation and volunteering for a profit corporation (mainly one is sorta illegal under employment laws). Volunteering for United Way isn't the same as volunteering for IBM. There are a reason non-profits have strict rules for volunteers, so they aren't sued. There is also a reason corporations hav strict rules for dealing with contractors, so they aren't sued.


Lewis is a paying customer of a corporation and should be allowed to say whatever he wants, his last name is not Linden. Some noob who is logging into SL for 30 minutes to never return while he tries to explain a game with no goals and a business platform with a limited platform doesn't give a rat's ass is he called some Goth girls from 1999 sluts on forums.

Martin,

Commenting on people's morality comes down to a personal attack.

They are not tying his behavior as a greeter to his posts here and saying he can't express his opinions. It's about his saying he is using his position in SL to spread the word of Jesus that people are reacting to. They are saying as a greeter, he should not be using that position to try to recruit people into anything - business, religion, or any other agenda. There is no evidence that he has, but Lewis is the one who raised the whole issue.

Ah I'm sorry, Lucy, Martin is not welcoming.

I might have misgivings about SG as a company, and the porn industry in general but I agree with Cris. This is way too personal, and no second life resident should be condemned for what they do in real life, unless they kick puppies.

I was dismayed to see the whole issue of morality interjected into my thread, and subsequently having it locked, as I think it's a crock of poo. SL is about tolerance.

Arn't you doing the same thing to him? Saying he prejudges everyone, warning ppl that it will be considered a personal attack to enter a discussion with him. Calling into question and injecting your personal opinion of him on others?

Then maybe LL should hire employees to do the work they ask paying customer to do? This seems more like an issue with LL policies than Lewis.


Ohh Noooesss! The people working for free are exploiting the system for personal gain! We are all so freaking shocked. Jenna has been exploiting her greeter status for months. "Come to my club, we will give you a skin and a thong and you can dance on a pole for fun and profit!"


Again, blame LL and stop attacking other customers for the flaws in LL policies and programs.

For-profit, not-for-profit, makes no difference to me - or to quite a few people, it seems. He touts his greeter status then makes blanket judgments against people who he has never met in that same uniform (his av). We can sit here and argue semantics all day - the point is, he is a proxy representative of Second Life and Linden Labs, paid or not makes no difference. I would appreciate it if he were to use an alt to post. There are some newbies who do come to the message boards - I'm sure we give them *quite* the impression. Makes it so much nicer when a greeter makes such broad pronouncements (like wanting to ban all the SGs from his land because of what little he knows about them). Again, just my opinion. I don't care if you agree or not.

All in all I would have to agree with you.

Which part is how I feel? That Lewis has prejudged the people from the site? He has said it himself multiple times. That everyone else has been more welcoming? You're right, I should not include everyone. I should make room for the people who think they can prejudge someone and say they have no business being in SL simply because of what they do for a living or what site they visit. You are right, I do need to leave room for the fact that others may be just as intolerant and judgemental as Lewis. Regardless of what anyone may feel about the site, porn, posing naked, having sex, whatever - no one AND I MEAN NO ONE has any right now invitation to claim that they have more value or right to be in SL than anyone else. We are all people, all human, all imperfect, and all welcome here until LL decides (or our own actions cause them to decide) that we aren't.

Won't need much room Cris. Best I can count it's only 3 for sure.

He has stated his own prejudices - I will gladly point them out to you. Want me to quote them, or can I just sum them up? I am not warning her, simply saying to not let it upset her because he has already made up his mind. He has also shown repeatedly that questioning his judgement of people and the statements he has made about people is attacking him. It's all there, Martin. It is a loop that keeps going around, and I would rather not see someone new to SL let themselves be upset by someone who is attacking them and does not even know them - they have simply decided that because they come from a site they don't approve of, they aren't worthy to be in SL. So no, I am not attacking Lewis - he is free to disapprove of the site. He is not free to question the morality of people, refer to them as the lowest of the low, and to say that they are not the kind of people who should be in SL.

How is dividing ppl into groups good for a discussion?

Ask the person who divided everyone from the SG site into the immoral lowest of the low group.

You are a paying customer, complain to LL. You are attacking him for his opinions and personal beliefs, which is what you are complaining about him doing. Right now you look like a hypocrite.


Actually there is a big difference between a non-profit and a profit corporation. Ask the IRS.

Thank you for taking the time to write this. But I will make up my own mind about what I think he stands for or what he doesn't. I would like to draw my own conclustions after reading his posts and what I believe he meant in the context of which it was written.

Please explain how you judging him makes this better?

I am not judging Lewis, I am standing up against his judgement of people and saying that they have no right to be in SL, or no value. Standing up against someone making attacks against someone is not being judgemental.

I think if Lewis finds something immoral it is his right to voice his opinion.


I thought you people believed in free speech? Free speech means you can call someone a whore, and in turn they can call you a stuck up prude. Go Go Free Speech.

I didn't stop Lewis from saying it, it doesn't mean you can say something and not have people respond to it. Lewis has expressed himself very clearly, over and over again. Freedom of speech does come with responsibility for your own words.

Again your interjecting your words here, I didn't read "immoral lowest of the low group" at any point in all these threads. Your Paraphrasing your own words to use against him. I wish you would see that. So what if he doesn’t like the site for what ever reason, that is his opinion. My point is he has a right to it. Standing in moral judgment against another poster because they don’t meet your moral standards for what is acceptable to post? That makes no sense. Fine you disagree with his opinion. He disagrees with yours.

Lets just leave it at that and move on.