New group open to all. Skybox Hunter

I myself personally don't have skyboxes because I just can't accept the fact that houses can fly no matter what they say. At one time my partner dug a big hole in the ground, put a house on top of it and doubled walled the hole in an attempt to get some privacy for her building and scripting. Guess what? While she was building a sofa someone all of a sudden appeared sitting on it!

Their are two morals to this lesson. Number one is that privacy is durn near impossible in Second Life. Number two is that people who build houses in the sky want to be left alone and it probably isn't wise to go around taking pictures of them.

The thing Trixy and others are missing is none of them can give permission to snoop around MY skybox or that of anyone else that objects. This is not a democratic decision. My land my box stay away. Vares and others don't mind and have invited you over go have fun. Me and others have loudly objected. Stay away. I am currently in the process of upgrading the security of my skybox to enforce that statement. Come close to it and you will be land banned LL then gives you 10 seconds to get off the property. You want to do this with skybuilds make a thread asking for invites to builds. Most builds want privacy. Just snooping around because you want to and a few people said they don't mind is an invasion of that privacy.

Agreed. I wouldn't say anything against people flying by and taking a look in passing, although I might not like it, because there's not a lot you can do to stop it. However, I don't want people making landmarks so others can come and look, and I don't want anyone taking pictures.

Man.. you people need lives.

When will school get in?

Lots of things built in the sky are ment to be seen. I also think the point that this isnt about takeing pic's of people hase already been coverd and I refure you to the earlyer post's.

Nor is banning everyone in this groupd from our land.

Parts of this thread reek of "GEDOFF MY LAWN, HOODLUMS!"...

Wouldn't a more appropriate name for the group be 'Voyeurs R Us'?

I had a neighbor like that .

was that you flying the other day : pervert

This is not about people watching !!!!

I had a rl nabour like that she was a old lady and even had a crab apple tree LOLOL

Nah, if it was I think I woulda stayed longer.

There are lots of people that put builds ... even stores at high altitudes so that its less laggy , whether or not that works , I dont know.. but lots of people do that.

Not one mention of privacy is mentioned in "What is Second Life?", the only public marketing and information material provided by Linden Lab. Until they decide to alter this material and own to a non-fact that the world is only meant to be explored under certain conditions Trixy, have at it. If someone wants privacy they have one and only one option: a private island with no access except to listed avatars.

For those of you who have never looked at this information, here's the link and a few select quotes:

http://secondlife.com/whatis/

1. From the moment you enter the World you'll discover a vast digital continent, teeming with people, entertainment, experiences and opportunity. Once you've explored a bit, perhaps you'll find a perfect parcel of land to build your house or business.
   
2. Hundreds of new residents join each day and Create an Avatar
   
3. Those avatars Explore the World and Meet People
   
4. These people discover the thousands of ways to Have Fun
   

No, when trixy told me about this group, she made it pretty obvious to me that when she was out exploring she wanted to look at skyboxes that weren't occupied. I know she's not the type that would just drop in on a person in a skybox and go around snapping photos of their private deeds. She's only interested in the structure and the artwork behind it, not what the people do in it

Perhaps thats something she should clearly state in her group and enforce. Not to go near or disturb a skybox if there are avatars present.

Some of us don't want you there if we are present or not.

Ban works wonders.

You're welcome to visit all of my skyboxes if you can find them. Leave gifts.

No, it's about your denial that most people put skyboxes in the sky for privacy.

I have over 1/4 sim, all landscaped on the ground, and I leave it open for people to visit.

My house and my and my gf's work space however is in the sky, at a height that requires a flight assist even to *get* to. In fact, because of rude people who can't get that the idea behind a skybox is to be left *alone*, the windows are one way, and there are no doors. Now why in the world would you think that that means that we want people showing up and exploring it and taking pictures to send other people there to bother us?

Right now, I do have my security orb running, but it only has about 20 names, griefers and scumbags all, on it that are banned. I don't have it set to ban everyone because I don't want to bother people who are just flying by and minding their own business, and because most people are polite and cluefull enough to understand that if it's in the sky, the intention is for it to be private, and don't bother it.

Stuff like this though...if this sort of thing becomes more common, you can expect to see my land become no-fly, and for my security orb to become teleport home without warning.

SL may be "Just a Game" to you and some other people, but the fact is that my land is paid for (Through the nose, over $US100 a month and out of pocket.) by *me*. Not by anyone else, not by LL, not by these wandering explorers, but by *me*. Until that changes I will attempt to be polite, but rudeness and inconsideration beget rudness and inconsideration.

The next time any of you are flying along, and you suddenly find yourself bouncing off of ban lines, or ejected, or teleporting home with no notice...well, you can thank somone like Trixy, who couldn't bring themselves to grasp the common curtesy of leaving people's sky boxes alone.

Ban me then *chuckles* not like I'll ever notice. I don't even explore my home sim, much less sky boxes. Too busy with other things, but I do think some people are being a bit TOO uptight about this topic. *shrugs* Anyway, I've said my bits, I'll leave yall to argue out yours have fun.

I *am* a neighbor like that.

When I was first approaced by Trixy about the Skybox Hunter group and its concept, the only thing that ran through my thoughts was taking interesting "outside" pictures of unique builds. Not once did I think it an opportunity to "spy" and "invade" their privacy. I never considered the ramifications that might come of what I thought was just taking "outside" pictures of interesting builds. Being a landowner, I understand the privacy issue. I've been here for two year now and believe me hate any drama. Trixy I've know for more than 6 months now and never has she come across as a pervert or one who means to any harm to other. I see all of your points. So much so I plan to leave the group not because
I thought the idea was a bad one but the fact I didn't take "privacy" matters into consideration. For that, I apologize to all the landowners.

I believe any landowner should be allowed privacy on and above their land. What I have a hard time with are the ones that are the one parking their homes over someones elses land and not paying a dime in land use fees? I find that lame and invading a landowner space regardless how high you are. I know I've flown very high over my land and it still says my land even at 700+ m.

Or am I wrong about this whole skybox free parking because its free space?

Anyways, you all can rest easy in the fact that I am not or have ever been interested in watching to avs hump like rabbits or whatever one does in private. I'm here to have fun, meet intereting people and walk away from any drama as I am doing now.

Grey

And thats your right and i suport you 100 %
Lucky for me SL suports both our sides and makes it possible for booth our sides to strive in this great game good luck to you and the hole reclusion thing.

Sounds to me more like the group was made to uncover peoples erotic secrets...

EDIT: After all thats what most SKY BOXES are for. Except for workshops and offices or space stations.

If someone is building above you in the sky, you simply return the owner's objects for your land and it's gone. Hopefully, they'll learn their lesson pretty quick.

As for the idea for this group...I think that it's something that's really hit a nerve for a lot of people.

A lot of land owners *alread* feel under siege. Since open registration started, I've been getting griefed on my land and in my home at least weekly.

At the same time, a lot of us really do want to share with others in SL, which is why my land is a parkland on the ground.

But, the general assumption in SL for a long time has been that if you want privacy, you build in the sky, and that sky boxes are private.

This group doesn't seem to respect that, and the description makes it sound like it's all about sneaking up on people's sky boxes. With people already feeling under seige this is something that *really* hits a nerve. Protestations of, "You're over reacting," and "It's just a game!" really don't do a lot to help with something like this.

People feel that *they're* being reasonable by putting that which they want private at high altitude, and the people who are saying, "You don't have a right to keep that private, it's just a game anyway, you need to get a life it you have a problem with this," are the ones who are coming across as unreasonable to the objecting skybox owners.

I'd really urge the OP to reconsider, and stick to builds on the ground.