New group open to all. Skybox Hunter

I can kinda understand why it wouldnt be anyfun to just ask random ppl for pictures of their skyboxes.. it seems like the fun this group would have is in the act of finding something cool themself, trhough flying around and exploring. I dont see anywhere that he mentioned an intent to like go hunt down ppl doing ' teh secks ' or discover ppls works in progress .. it only mentions the builds. I think if someone made something very cool looking in the sky they probably almost would expect ppl to notice and admire?? I dunno.

Yes bang on!! you get a gold star !!

Hi Trixy, I just visited your clubhouse. It's very nice. The two builds you've reviewed so far are very interesting. Sounds like the only thing we have to disagree on is whether this is only a game or not, but that is a well hashed discussion for another thread.

My sky home is quite nice, if I do say so myself. It was built for me by a friend. Feel free to stop by and look around. If I'm home I'll give you the tour. You can find it at: Shamrock 248, 21, 231. (Sorry don't know how to make SLurls.) If you do visit be sure to fly around, above and below the build to get the full view.

Because if your interesting build is at a high altitude, it means you don't want people there. You just might have built something cool solely for your own pleasure.

If you're really just after interesting builds, there are plenty of them on the ground that aren't commercial locations, and therefore aren't well publicized. Try hunting for a few of them first.

Thank you

Ok now thats a blanket statment and 100 % flat out wrong. Things in the sky arnt ment to be seen? ya ok

I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. There are measures you can take personally to prevent the casual passer-by from wandering in on anything. Instead of reaming Trixy for organizing a group to get out and explore SL, perhaps you should go after LL to provide some better built in security features for land owners?

It's always been my view that we shouldn't have to resort to a scripted device to provide the security that the client should have built it, but maybe I'm wrong on this.

I have known Trixy for well over a year now, and I know her well enough to say that her intentions with this group were not, and are not, malicious or to cause anyone grief. She likes to get out and see all the great things people have built, to explore. Something many of us should do :\ unfortunately a lot of residents get frustrated with all the trouble that comes from crossing sim borders while exploring that we spend a lot of our SL time taking advantage of the Teleport system and not getting out and seeing all the amazing art in SL.

I love the idea of a group that gives me an excuse to get out an explore, to find new and interesting places, be it places in the sky or places on the ground. If you are worried about your skybox and your privacy, don't rip someone to shreds because you disagree with them. Just put out some security, or even make a compromise, have Trixy make a sign that her group will recognize and respect that your site is off limits. Trixy is reasonable and I'm sure such an idea would not be out for her

Just relax people, SL is here to have fun and enjoy. Its the biggest collaberation of artists online, and I've never heard of art that wasn't meant to be displayed.

oh great! more reasons to have better anti-griefter and tools...........

I've noticed a rather liberal use of the term "griefer" or "griefing" here. Perhaps we should take a step back and look at what the word actually means?

For her to be "griefing" you, you would actually have to have her harass you, or cause you to be harassed in some fashion. Considering the fact that the only thing she is doing is visiting a skybox, perhaps taking a picture or two for memoir, this does NOT qualify as griefing.

If I were to take "Griefer" in the context that it has been used so freely in this topic, then YOU would be a griefer every time you were flying by and happened upon an interesting build and stopped to look around. Even if you didn't actually go inside, but just panned your camera around to look. If you ever have, then by your own definition YOU are a griefer. That goes for everyone here -.-

Nope, not always. It's not "100% flat out wrong," it comes from over two years of experience. If things are close to the maximum build height, which is close to 700 meters, or above the height you can fly to unassisted, which is about 300 meters, they aren't meant to be seen by the general public; they're meant to be private space.

Not all of us can afford private sims, and (with the exception of a few of the older sims) most of us can't build underground; height is the only way most people have of attempting to get some measure of privacy. So yes, many times, things in the sky-- *high* in the sky, that is-- aren't meant to be seen.

Trixy, here's a problem I don't think you relize. While you may show some curtousy and not intentially invade skyboxes for taking pictures from within can you say the same for the people you're openly allowing into your group? Can you prevent them from doing something stupid or causing problems for others? No, you can't and thus where part of the problem resides. The other part is, well, skyboxes were made to be private for one of many possibilities many wich were mensioned. I know I'd personally wouldn't want griefers showing up at my front door because you put my skybuild in your digest if I still had my skybuild. I had to deal with enough of them as it was I wouldn't want any more showing up because you gave me extra unneeded publicity and I'm sure many feel the same way.

Indeed. Only in the SL forums will you see so many people being total assholes before the OP even deserves such treatment.

Agreed, more people should explore. And like I said before, there are many, many cool places to explore on the ground, places that aren't commercial and don't get much traffic or publicity, places that are meant for people to see. Most of the builders of places like that would probably welcome visitors taking pictures.

By concentrating on exploring skyboxes, all you're doing is opening a controversial topic that's been dealt with before, and annoying a lot of people. I don't see any reason to do that, unless you just like the attention that comes from annoying people.

Once again that is what you said , your words and yes that it flat out wrong.
So what hight is considered high? I dont recall giveing a hight requirement ?

This is a very reasonable concern, and I have much respect for you Ron for posting in such a polite manner. I took the liberty of cleaning up your post a bit to make it easier to read, but did not change the original wording. I hope you do not mind



Being that I don't frequent the forums aside from the announcements section, I was unaware that this topic had been raised previously, or that there had been another group like Trixy's, so thank you for that information . I understand both sides of the controversy, and I respect that people in the sky wish to have their privacy. I personally have my whole house in the sky for that very reason. At the same time, I invested in security to keep the random drop-in from poking around.

I wouldn't mind seeing Trixy form a sister group for ground exploration as opposed to skybox exploration. I think such would get much less controversy.

Nope, it's not wrong. I believe I did explain what height is considered high:



If a high altitude build is meant to be visited, there'll usually be a teleport on the ground to get up there, with perhaps a sign of some sort. If something is built at 600 meters and there isn't a teleport up to it, chances are good it's meant to be private and the owner doesn't want visitors. I don't think that's so hard to understand.

If anyone comes to my terf doing that theil be out on their ear with a shared ban acrost a lot of other sims.

EDIT: That whole "im just exploring" or "I didnt know" rutine doesn't work with me... I've heard it a billion times. This is violation of privacy and i wont have it. Good Day.

This I agree with, the word griefer is more than a bit overused in these forums. This isn't griefing, not even close.

After having visited Trixy's group's place, I would offer up a couple of small suggestions. Maybe in your group charter notecard that you give out you could advise members not to enter people's private space without permission and mention that you are looking for the outside's of interesting builds and not pictures of their various toys. And get rid of the word covert, it really does make the notecard sound as if you're telling people to sneak around and get something they couldn't get otherwise.

With the two pictures you already have up, you're right they are interesting. The one with the person selling a slide I can understand adding the landmark. But I think a lot of people would be bothered by your giving out landmarks to their properties without their permission. Perhaps for those you intend to give a landmark to you could just take a moment to ask the land owner first.

Yes very true and something to be mindfull of for all group officers , to make sure there members follow comen curtsey and respect for others. But like anything in RL or SL you cant control the actions of others. But you cant not do something based on the actions of a few. The few that do like to run around and bug and miss treet others teend to do so all on there own with out help form others.

Very good points and I thank you for offering them , which I wil lact on I shouldnt assume that all people have comen curtsey and respect for others.

You have a notecard dispenser set up to give out landmarks. That's the best way to do it anyway because then you can name the landmark after your store for easy use, instead of the default name of the sim and location that landmarks are generated with.

Exploring is a great activity, sky boxes included, which many of us have that we would love people to enjoy. Mine are up high precisely so that they are not obvious, augmenting the feeling for visitors of having really found an out of the way nook.

Many of us that explore do use tact and consideration. Some people don't, including many of the naysayers in this thread.

I'm ok with real exploring but not if its a lie just to snapshot peoples privacy.

Agreed.

Trixie I believe why the people began to get offensive and upset is the working you used in your orignal post. As I have been schooled by some of the regulars I learned to "TRY" and word things the way I mean and to avoid constant comflict, tho sometimes I FAIL miserably. We are all human and with the exception of a few not totally perfect yet I try (ahah).