Down with letting any user make and market content!

Hehe I know how it feels - I get your good buddy doin it page after page - and it bothers me not a nonce..

Because I make things for me - and if they're cool enough for me then all is good - if other people dig them it's icing on the cake.



Guess your not goin swimming then - your loss not mine.

Can you point out one single comment I've made about your angels? Anywhere? At all? Or one single comment I've ever made about any of your work? Anywhere? At all?

If not, stuff a fucking sock in it. I'm tired of the 'poor me' crap.

I've never been anything but nasty to you... Yeah, except for the times I defended you to Ulrika and the others calling for your removal from a thread. You have a very selective memory, Cocoa. You only remember when you've been victimized, and never when you've been defended. Guess the defense doesn't fit with the whole martyr complex ya got goin'.

And oh no, you aren't going to buy anything from me? You never have. Nothing you had to pay for. But you've gotten plenty of the freebies, haven't you?

What does that have to do with anything? You write nasty posts to me, and react nastily to a sincere compliment I give your husbands's work.

So take that and stuff a sock in it.

coco

I am, Barnesworth. I gave honest evaluations of their work. I separate the people all right. After nine months of this, I've had it with being nice or even reasonable to a bunch of nasty anonymous people on the Internet. I don't care if their work is good, bad, or indifferent. You simply CANNOT BE NICE to some people.

And that's another thing. I'm sick and tired of people holding me responsible for what my friends say and do. You can't and never could approach me as an individual because you can't get over the fact that I am friends with the devil incarnate. Well, I'm friends with lots of people, and you won't hear me trashing them all over the Internet, much less for your pleasure.

I would have been friends with all of you, too, and God knows I've tried with some of you.

coco

I don't believe you've ever done a sincere thing in your life, Cocoa.

If you don't want people pointing out your glaring hypocricy, then stop being a hypocrite. I know, it's mean of all the nasty ol' people to point out when you're doing things you chastize others for and then make excuses for when you do yourself. Poor wittle Cocoa.

Old newsgroup archetype, riding in to save the poor damsel in distress (both faux in this case, a well worn ploy with Coco) against all odds and most times against all reason, rationale, or logic, to the point of contradicting yourself every other post. Seems to me to fit you to a 't'.

Our very own, regular, modern day, Don Quixote; tilting after the windmills of SL, defending the chaste honour of lady Coco. Pity all that effort wasted on her "poor me", "everything is about me' schtick.






Strange... this seems to directly contradict your earlier posts... completely, or maybe its not that strange at all. That is becoming something of a theme with you it seems. Sad to see that so early on.

I don't understand how a bunch of smart people like this can be so insistent on spending their energy being as mean and nasty as possible.

How is that holding you responsible - I'm saying I have it done to me - by someone you know! haha



Ah no - I never approached you because you seem the sort of person I don't wish to know. I never approached Prok for the same reasons.. I treated that decision on you both as individuals - neither of you is the sort of person I wish to meet or get to know.

See coco, I don't like you for you - not for the actions of others.

You don't know crap about me. But you sure can spout with the insults.

What I have always chastized people for on these forums is for piling up on others unfairly, like bullies, and trying to run them off. Since the very beginning, when I got on here and saw people treating Prok and Catherine abysmally, for which you have always felt completely justified. Anshe's another. Or various newbies. Plus some other figures I don't even understand what their supposed crime was.

And you're still at it. The people who did that then deserved being chastized, and you deserve it now, for doing it to me. I'm your current favorite. Difference between me and some of the people you've piled on in the past is that I'm no victim, no matter how much you keep trying to make it so with your snide "poor wittle coco" stuff. I'm not going anywhere, and I really don't give a damn how nasty you want to act.

Remember Catherine's list of people who ruined her Christmas? I could have the same list, and probably with the same names (though I don't remember them), here at the same time of year, a year later - except that you haven't ruined my Christmas or ruined anything. Jonquille, I have treated you, and Siggy, and Enabran, and Nolan, and Jauani, and others on here with respect, consideration, and friendliness, time and again, even after you got done saying snotty stuff to me. I don't recall that any of you have ever done that for me. In fact, it doesn't matter what I say or do, you can only be negative about it.

I guess that's why you think I'm some sort of "pitiful" thing and some kind of patsy and you can just keep doing it, and I'll just keep on being nice. Well forget it, cause I've given it nine months now, and that's more than enough time.

If you don't want people pointing out how nasty you are, and what bullies, then I suggest you stop being nasty, mean bullies.

coco

Now, is this "you" as in just me? Or "you" as in everyone? Or "you" as in "They!" Cuz if it's just me, then you need to do some reading. If it's the collective you, then you really should stop blaming everyone for what some people do. And if it's "them" again, well, time to up the dosage.

I respect that, Siggy. But here's the sad thing about it - I never felt that way about you or Jonquille. Nor would I feel that any of the others - Enabran, Jauani, just name just about anybody - is somebody I would write off so quickly as being "not the sort of person I wish to meet or get to know." That's one reason I have kept trying so long with all of you.

None of this would have ever come down this way if I hadn't defended my friend - and been so upset to see everyone piling on him, and mounting a "shunning" campaign against him. I think you all would feel the same way if you got on a game and found that happening to one of your friends.

I would have done the same for Barney.

So this is lost. Any way for me to get to know any of you is lost and gone, but I say it is through you, not me, because I have made approaches, made peace offerings, etc. Then get hit with more insults.

That is all over now.

coco

I can't speak for why anyone else has come to their own conclusions about you. I only speak for myself. It has nothing to do with you defending your friend. It has to do with you being hypocritical in the things you say and the way you act.

Calling others nasty when you're nasty yourself. Trying to condemn someone for something you yourself turn around and do. Trying to make excuses for why you do something, while ignoring anyone else's reasonings and excuses for the things they do. In a nutshell, not practicing what you preach.

You waggle your matronly finger and lump people into groups, while turning a blind eye to the exact same behavior in your friends. You did this from the starting gate, and you haven't broken stride for a moment.

But the thing that really gets me, is that you completely ignore any support, defense or positive feedback you've gotten, and only focus on the negative. Those are the only moments you dredge up, over and over again. I can't think of one other reason to do this than enjoying playing the victim, and to garner sympathy you claim not to care about. You lump anyone who disagrees with you into a big pack of jackals, and you never, ever consider that maybe people have come to their own conclusions, and that maybe, just maybe, those conclusions have something to do with how you present yourself, rather than some group-think or latent dislike for your friend.

Coco, to suggest that people pile up on you for no good reason is just plain wrong. You really need to accept responsibility for your own actions. I mean really.....

You always do this to yourself, starting flame wars, then running off with your tail between your legs, whilst crying victim. Your friend was banned along time ago, but your tone has gotten much worse since.

FYI, I bought your angels. While they are not particularily elaborate and look more like monks than angels, I find them to be cute and they tell me that you must have a kind side to yourself and you take pride in sharing them with the community. My only wish, is you are able to convey that same kindness with your words and lead by example, not contempt.

Merry Christmas Coco, I wish you many happy returns.

Jonquille, all I know is this sort of thing NEVER happened to me before, ANYwhere, online for the past 12 years or whatever, in all sorts of venues, or in any place in real life. EVER. Anywhere.

NO ONE ever thought of me in those lovely terms you use - like "wag your matronly finger" - you'd think you all were teenagers or something. Must you put things that way? Don't you see what a stereotype that is? How about you? What are you and others wagging, in this and in all the hundreds of previous posts where people have decided to tell me exactly what is wrong with me, Coco?

Never before, no where, has anything akin to this ever, ever happened. Never has my writing anywhere - and I write quite a lot - ever had this effect. No where in real life has this EVER been any sort of imageanyone had of me. And I've lived a lot of places and known just one hell of a whole lot of people from all walks of life and every strata of society. And gotten along with every last damn one of them.

Except here. And we know how here started out. So I'm going to conclude that that was what made the difference.

And it is all unfortunate.

You are probably right, that I tend to lose sight of the support and what-not in the glare of the horrible things that are said. When I went through my thread about the stars on classifieds, I made a little list, as if it were a poll, to figure out how many were in favor of what, and it was kind of surprising to me that there were a number of people in there basically agreeing with my point of view, without attacking my character or my personality. (Or my angels, lol.) Unfortunately, you are correct, I lose sight of that.

But when I write a thread about the stars on classifieds, even if I use myself and that other girl as examples, which is only because I ALWAYS write with examples, I actually want to discuss the ISSUE, dammit! I don't want it to be an opportunity for Jauani or whoever the heck to come in and make snotty comments about me when there is an ISSUE I am concerned with.

Really, you try it sometime. I know that I didn't suddenly turn into someone who "hasn't done a sincere thing in her life," as you put it, or ANY of that other stuff people say without thinking twice. It just is not the case. It shocks me time and again to read stuff like that, and God knows, I have read way more of it than I deserve. If I'm writing a damn thread about the classified stars, it's cause I want to discuss THE DAMN STARS. Just like anybody else.

I don't dislike you guys. I'm actually pretty fond of Enabran, believe it or not, but don't tell him that, and I am fond of Nolan, though I have learned to keep my distance. It is a shame and a pity that I am on the other side of the fence from all of you, because I know that all of you are intelligent and quite witty and pleasant, too, with each other, and one whole hell of a lot of fun to be around.

But I am on the other side of the fence. And I've frickin had it with it. I've had it with everything I bring up being turned into some kind of two-bit psychoanalysis on the part of those on the OTHER side of that fence.

The psychoanalysis I indulge in is at least mercifully short and to the point: I say you guys are being nasty, that's it . You don't have deep psychological problems or needs to be a victim, or anything else, and neither do I. You can't see that - but I do. I KNOW it.

But this is the way it is, and so fine. I'm tellin ya, though, stuff has been lost. Good stuff.

coco

Thank you so much, Weedy! That means a lot to me. I'm not going to argue with you about who starts what. Monks - lol. That's partly because they couldn't have hair.

Why couldn't they have hair? Because - the prim limit for Adam's Christmas tree was 15 prims! You'll notice they each have only . . . exactly fifteen prims!

But thank you, Weedy, very much! I wish we could get past this bridge. I wish we could get over this bridge. But in any case, I do appreciate your kind words, and Merry Christmas to you as well!

coco

You have done the exact same thing to other people in other threads, Cocoa, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. Only noticing when you're on one end and never when you're on the other.

When Pol starts a thread about people spamming with business notecards, and you come in with "You people didn't care about the Bush signs!.. blah blah" What is that about? First, people did care, as numerous threads on the issue proved, so you're just completely wrong. Second, the thread was about notecards. That was the issue. Just as your issue was star ratings. And third, who exactly is the "you people" you're so fond of blaming things on?

Edited to add: And I'm not sure what definition you have for 'matronly' but it isn't an insult.

You put up that fence the moment you got here, and perpetuate that fence. Your mantra was "more people like me are coming", which of course sets the tone for you not being like us. You drew the line in the sand. How is it that such a disparaite group of people can get along so well, all while disagreeing, sometimes strongly with each other, but that group does not include you? It is again because you separate yourself, and make the contempt you have for that group of people quite clear. You perpetuate the kind of inane labelling that Prokofy does - pigeonholeing people to marginalize them. You aren't any different than any of us, Cocoanut, not in any ways that matter. Yeah you have your own unique background, but so do I, so does Nolan, so Aimee, Jonquille, and every person in this forum. Yet "people like you" are somehow special and above it all. That is why the fence exist - it is the very first thing you built in Second Life, and it remains your most enduring creation.

As far as psychoanalysis, we have only the record of your words here to go on. From the look of things, Jonquille is dead on in her assessment. The reality of you is probably different, but we only get to see what you present here. I have always liked you, and I still do, though admittedly my patience has grown thin on certain things. The reason I rated one star on the thread was because of your personal actions in that thread - the childish keeping track of who had posted ads (never mind that you were unable to tell who had viewed the forums, or rated in the forums) in an attempt to negate their opinions. All of it was just opinion - mine, yours, Aimee's, everyones.

Yet you did take things quite personal in that thread. It was not a consensus on your personality overall - no one is representative of one thread, or even what they post here completely. However, for that single thread, it was my opinion that it deserved one star both on topic (which I believe to be minor and hardly worthy of any effort from LL to correct), and on behavior, specifically yours. That was the ratings working exactly as they should - they are an expression of opinion. For that, I was told you no longer want to be my friend, which is fine. You may not like that someone rates one star, even just to rate one star to be a jerk, but it is their right to in a rating/voting system. You obviously were not on the receiving end of a triple neg rate from Prokofy, with a message that simply said "Cocksucker!" as the reason for the rating. Talk about your consensus on someone. Yet time and again, that is the person you defend, not any of us. There is that fence again.

Anyway, from this side of the fence, happy holidays to you Cocoanut. I agree with Weedy on the fact that seeing your items definitely allows one to see there is a kind person behind it all.

anyone see it's almost christmas ? bah...who cares..JUST STFU !

....and Phil bless us every one!" ^.-

Back to the subject~

I would like to suggest to anyone who thinks it is done better in "There", that they run to There and sell items. Pay to submit your design, sit and wait to see if accepeted. (Oh, and are you a chosen one?) The go and pay to list it if it is accepted, then when each item is bought pay a percentage. Have Fun!

I've heard the horror stories of There and how much of a money suck it was/is. Glad I never had to experience it first hand.

If you had rated me a one star on behavior, I wouldn't have liked that either, but you did say "personality." What would you think of it if I came into a thread of yours to rate your personality as terrible? Perhaps you didn't mean to say that, and meant behavior, but my reaction was to what you said. And I think you can see that I would be pretty stupid to go on considering myself as having a friendly relationship with someone given that rather startling statement. If what you actually meant was behavior, I feel a little better about it.

Looking to see who actually used the Classifieds wasn't "childish." It was because I began to think about who all was saying "who cares" - such as you, Cristiano - and if they actually bothered to USE classified ads and hence WOULD care. "Who cares" was your phrase, and others'. If you had a problem with Snapzilla, and several people responded, "Who cares," I imagine you might well look to see if any of them even used Snapzilla. If not, then why should they care?

I'm not any different from any of you - exactly my point.

Of course it is their right to rate something one star. That's not the point. It is also - currently - their right to get together with their friends and drag someone down to two stars just because two other people had the AUDACITY to think that item was cute and give it five stars, like happened to that girl. And this goes on all the time. Take a look at the fashion section. Then take a look at it before the comments were stopped. And telling me "who cares" doesn't speak to the problem. There are people who do care, and if someone doesn't care about an issue I care about, then maybe they could skip that thread.

You may consider it minor and not worth the trouble for the Lindens to correct. However, I do not consider it minor, and I'm not the only one. And it would take a Linden maybe five minutes, at most, to go in and check that "no" box on allowing thread ratings for each of those forums.

Again, I am not Prokofy. Prok isn't here. *I* am here. I am a person on my own, and Prok was the farthest thing from my mind when I wrote the Stars thread. He usually *is* the farthest thing from my mind when I am speaking my mind on something. It would be good if he would be the farthest thing from y'alls minds, too, when you are responding to me.

I didn't call you a cocksucker, and I didn't give you a triple neg rating, and I would never do either one. And I said on these forums and to Prok, and more than once, that I didn't believe in giving negative ratings in the game for views expressed on the forums.

And yes, all this aside, I hope you have a wonderful holiday, too, Cristiano! I finally finished my wrapping - tomorrow it's shop and cook. And tomorrow night - we open the loot!

coco

Holy shit.

This is still going on?

I guess there were a few more Lean Cuisine pizzas in that freezer.

For someone who claims not to care what others think of her, you sure spend a lot of time talking about others' perceptions.

So if you're calling me a self-contradicting, clueless moron... it seems I should fit in around here perfectly.

Now all I need is an alt for extra trolling power, and I can pass as a regular.

Lewis