Down with letting any user make and market content!

Storm in a teacup - J don't like em - big f*cking deal - and lets face it - if his one vote had such a high impact on that 'star rating' - I gotta break the news - you couldn't have had that many '5's to begin with - either that or a bunch of others did the '1'.

He expressed his opinion - and as he said - he did it because of his thoughts on the product - which is using the system AS IT WAS INTENDED.

Shit J-Wu may be the only honest voter on there in that case - and your lambasting him in the forums for USING THE SYSTEM AS IT WAS INTENDED.

I don't get it.

Get the f*ck over it.

Besides - why does his opinion matter that much anyways - I love J, but he's a tard at times - if he said something was great - sucked - I'd check it out to find out how full of shit he was -- if anything it would increase sales

He didn't make it up, Siggy. Jauani said if he got one for free he would throw it in the trash.

You're right, we all do love what we make! Or at least most of it. I think we love some of it a lot, but a lot of it, we like less. And every once in a while we make something we really kinda wish we never had made, even though it sells. That's part of the artistic path. In general though, you're right, we all love what we make!

I agree, too, that one can have an opinion on something even if one can't do that something oneself - such as liking a movie or thinking a movie is a piece of crap even when you are the farthest person away from ever making a movie yourself. And I think Willem de Kooning mostly produced crap, and you'll never get me to think otherwise, lol.

But here, we have a case of content creators, who are by nature competing for the consumer Lindens. We ARE all making things. So that's a tad different. We all know what truly is crap when we see it in the Classifieds. And because we're nice people, we're not going to go in there and tell that poor soul his stuff is horrible. If it's a personal friend, though, we might gently suggest what improvements we can see. (And I myself solicit opinions of other builders when I make something.)

Rating my stuff loudly and unsolicitedly as "mediocre," "terrible," or trash-worthy is just . . . well, it isn't very rational, I don't think. It smacks more of one competitor trying to ruin the business of another, if you ask me.

coco

Yep, and Coco just turns her head the other way when Prok is bashing what others make. But, that's apparently ok, because as we all know, Coco and Prok's moral compasses are vastly more righteous and superior to those of everyone else. So above us immoral and corrupt people who are running Linden Lab by proxy, through sycophantic back-room deals.

But, let Coco be critiqued, and it's Harrison Bergeron meets The Stepford Wives.

You have to love it when people arrive on the scene, in this case SL, and start telling people already here that they are immoral, with thousands upon thousands of posts, many of them thousands of words long, containing the same, tired "it's not fair" pablum. At the same time trying to force their own brand of morality and "justice" on the existing player base.

What is even more mind blowing, is their tenacity in the face of so much evidence that they are the ones who came to SL and started passing judgement on LL and it's player base, and that they constantly play the victim card, when it should be abundantly clear that they have been antagonists all along.

I really have to stop, even when at work or wherever, once in a while, and wonder "why?"

Siggy, it takes only one person and his alt to make those stars register. I know, cause I tested it.

There is no way of knowing how many people respond with a rating. In my own case, I know that I had five stars one day and three the next. After I wrote that thread, I was suddenly down to one star on everything.

And I know that the girl I gave five stars to - and immediately regretted it, must have had at least one other person give her five stars, cause the five stars showed up. But then - in a matter of a couple of days - she was down to two stars.

They are gamed, and all to hell and back, and that's all there is to it.

coco

He rated your stuff anonymously - he started this thread anonymously - wasn't till you brought up your stuff that he replied.

Yes, I do! I do have better things to do! I should be doing them right now! lol

coco

So J expressed his opinion - and you 'tested it' - so you deliberately did what you're crusading against?

Hope it was on your own thread - otherwise I would expect someone else might get pissed.

Of course they're gamed - every system in every single online game is gamed to further your advantage..

But consider: He marked your product based on his opinion - that was using it as it was intended - whether you like the outcome of that or not.

Evidently not. The proof is in the pudding, as you have already invested significant time in this wholly irrlevant issue.

He did not do any of it anonymously, except deliver the stars, which I only know he did because he said so. If he's anything, it's not anonymous.

coco

Lets see Coco - the stars were what I'm talking about here - so yes.. now go back and read the first message in this thread.. where is your name?

Thats right - its not there.

Later when you brought up how it was all about you - he THEN expressed his opinon on your fine works.

So go back, read the start of the thread - go back read the post you just replied to... and then go back to the drawing board.

You wanted it to be about you - now it is about you - there's just no pleasing some people..

In the future perhaps be more careful of what you wish for.

Of course I did it! I tested it. Now we know something we didn't know. I tested it on the thread in general, called "What are you?" I looked for a thread I thought was great, and I gave itthe five stars both me and my alt thought it was worth.

Then I decided I should go to a much more obscure spot, cause after all, someone could have gotten in there and given it five stars while I was switching alts. So I picked a post on page 15 of fashion - which was a post called "Test," and the text it contained was something along the lines of, "Ignore this."

And now we know how many people it takes to make the stars show up. Though I got a feeling a bunch of people aready knew that.

My point is - take away the stars from the Classified section. There is no need whatsoever to have this easily gamed feature there. No need for it, and a lot of harm done by it.

Understand, I don't care that Jauani thinks my angels suck. He would be the last person I would expect to like them; he was not the audience I had in mind when I created them. I care that he goes out of his way to trash them, in public, when I'm trying to discuss other things. And with an air of superior authority, to boot.

coco

I... Is... Do... I give up.

So you did it and thats 'testing' J-Wu did it and thats gaming? Or is it only fair if you give 5 stars - I'm trying to understand here..

If you both gave your opinions - they are both valid - irrespective of what those opinions are. You don't get to have it both ways.

For the SECOND time, he expressed them. He had already thoroughly expressed them in the other thread. That cat was already out of the bag. And I'm not one to sit around while people continue to make entire threads to make fun of me. It was about me because it was about me. God knows I didn't want it to be. I would rather he hadn't started the thread at all, needless to say.

coco

Nuff said

Totally true - I'm off.

(Yes, I know, in more ways than one.)

coco

Then why bother replying to it then? Personally I saw this thread as being a humorous post - one that made fun of other threads - I've done it myself..

Not everything is a personal affront to you - I still don't see this thread as one - I saw it turn that way in the usual fashion .. the 'its all about me'

Well now I guess it is all about you .. Don't bother replying - I am seriously done replying to you - if you can't see how hyporcritical you are being here, thats your own problem.

(oh and I thought they were pretty lame too - and if Nerd wants to see my angel - go look in the history wiki).

I've never understood that. What does it mean the proof is in the pudding? And laundry list. as in I have a laundry list of things to pick your brain about... are there people who list their laundry?

ACtually, the phrase is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"... which means Enabran still needs to post a good recipie!

(A good pudding would be nice, but an entree would be good too!)

As I have no clue what the "whiteknight" reference is, if you expect some sort of answer you'll have to explain.

Of course you don't *have* to have made something to be able to decide if something is crap or not, but it seems like J here is simply looking at the name of the creator and making a decision rather than basing it on the item itself.

After all, as Coco mentions the angels on her signature, it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if J has never actually even seen the item involved in this discussion first-hand.

Lewis

but back to the topic at hand, what about laundry list?

Aww, thanks for thinking so, but that particular style of beef is something I have yet to try. But I am in need of a challenge, so maybe soon! First I promised to make the missus some cornish hen, so that'll be first.

Now... Recipe for Jillian.

I'm not sure if I have covered chicken soup before, but I recently discovered a remarkable means of comforting cold weather symptoms that I will share with you.

This is what you'll need:

Fresh chicken breast
Mushrooms, sliced (fresh is better here, but canned works, too)
Onions, chopped
Carrots, chopped small
Garlic, minced
Egg noodles
Chicken bullion
Black pepper
Crushed red pepper

(For portions, use your judgment for how chunky you want this soup to come out. I like lots of veggie and chicken in my soup, so I usually load it up. For the garlic, make sure you use about one clove for every two to three servings you're planning to output.)

Add your bullion to boiling water according to the directions on the packet or box. Boil the mixture on low-medium heat, adding mushroom, onion and carrots. Save the garlic until later. Give a light sprinkle, one or two shakes, of crushed red pepper into the broth.

Cut the chicken breast into small chunks and sautee with a little butter. Sprinkle generously with black pepper and sparingly with red pepper (use your judgement here -- don't overdo it, but make sure you get the flavor in there). Your chicken is ready when it's decently browned and dry on the outside.

Toss the chicken in with your broth, which should be quite delicious as it has been exchanging flavors with your different veggies. Add some egg noodles now and increase heat to medium.

When your noodles are nice and soft, throw in the garlic. Let it boil with the garlic and stir gently a few times for a minute or two.

Take soup off of heat and serve with a big crusty hunk of italian bread.

The red pepper is mediated while boiling so as not to give you much of its taste on your tongue. The rest of your mouth will notice the red pepper, though, and you should notice your nose and sinuses opening wide up. Great for the sniffles! Additionally, adding garlic at the very end gives you a lot of the flavor without letting is immune-boosting and antibiotic chemicals break down in the heat over an extended period. Garlic is great when you're not feeling your best, but its important chemical components are pretty fragile and break down easily in heat or stomach acid. Take your time swallowing.

Hope this makes a tasty treat for you. Let me know how it goes!

Mmmmm! Wunderbar - thanks Enabran

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