Down with letting any user make and market content!

That can be done if you wish, Jaundiced Wee, but then I'd rather not sink to the level of annoyance that you seem to adequately achieve on a regular basis.

I'm surprised you haven't started attacking me, as Coco is both friend and neighbour. Until you share the location anything that you have personally created so that we can all see what a uber l337 c0nt3nt cr34t0r you are, then I for one won't take any criticism you post seriously.

Lewis

First, if Jauani did 'attack' you, I would guess it would be because of the childish way you're trying to antagonize him by fucking up his name, but I have little doubt you'd try to claim that it was because you were friends with poor downtrodden Cocoa. Nice try, but you can't poke and poke and poke and then claim an attack was unprovoked. If you really want to lay a trap so you and Cocoa can cry victim, you'll have to do it without being a jackass first or you'll lose all sympathy.

Second, it's going to be very amusing when you guys finally do see the things Jauani has created in and for SL, and realize that trying to call him out like this just makes you look that much worse in comparison.

In the first place, Jonquille, I would like to see his work, and I'm certain it will be of good quality. I'm certain that my standards wouldn't be so high as his apparently are, and anyway his ability has got to be more than adequate, so I had no intention of giving him any grief over his work.

But since he has trashed my work so, I would like the chance to see his in detail, just out of curiosity, if nothing else, as to what makes him be so harshly critical of three small decorative angels intended to sit on a table.

Now you are saying that he lied to me and DOES actually make something, well, what's the point of lying? Is he afraid of my criticism? No? Well, then, what is the point of lying? Is this work of his some big state secret? If not, then show it.

Secondly, I don't need or want your "sympathy."

Thirdly, "poor downtrodden Coco" may be the way you some of you think of me, but it is not the way I think of myself - AT ALL. I don't buy into this crap of yours.

Fourthly, get real, Jonquille. (I like the way that rhymes!) I started a thread about getting rid of the stars in Classified. Jauani - and others - did all the poking. Jauani - and others - did all the attacking. Jauani - and others - made it as personal as they could. Jauani even added flourish to the whole thing by gratuitiously letting everyone know my angels were so sucky that he would throw them away if I gave him one as a gift!

I'm not surprised he doesn't want me to see his work, because he probably figures I would be the same way he is, and make such comments about his. Which I would not be, as I have been able for years to separate a person's work from what I personally think of him or her.

Fifthly, nobody needs to lay any trap here. I don't lay any frickin trap by posting a thread about getting rid of the star system, which I'm not the only one by far who wants to get rid of it. I posted it to discuss it. It's Jauani and others who are unable to discuss things, not me, and who mount these "parody" threads to continue their childish mockery.

Finally, it is formidable how in these forums, people NOT ONLY beat on others, saying gratuitiously nasty things and so forth, to their heart's content, no matter what the other person is trying to discuss seriously, but then turn around and blame the person they are being nasty to for the whole thing. "It's your fault we're being so horrible to you, because you just want to be able to be a victim."

Talk about setting a trap. Not to mention adding insult to injury. Anybody who wants to go look at the original thread and this one won't have too much trouble figuring out that this is the way these forums go.

coco

Ummm I was gonna say this but U did.....enuf said

We have all challenged her to that as well at one time or another, I think the way one responds to a challenge says a lot about their character.

You just did this yourself!!

*closes thread in disgust and goes off to clean the bathroom*

Why don't you go back and read (and absorb) the post I was not only responding to, but quoted. The one where Lewis pokes at Jauani, but then says that he's suprised he isn't attacked 'because he's your friend.' That's laying the trap, Cocoa. Be an asshole to someone, but then claim that if you're attacked, it's because of something entirely different.

Now personally, if I was making fun of someone, and they decided to attack me, I would assume they did it because I was being an asshole. But that's me. I accept responsibility for my actions and realize they have consequence, and that if I poke at someone, they're eventually going to swat my hand. I don't poke, and then cry victim when I get swatted.

Jauani's works in SL haven't been anywhere near secret. The gypsy wagon styled house that was auctioned off for the VERTU charity was Jauani's. Quite a few residential and commercial builds are Jauani's. Maybe the reason he blew off your request for proof of what he's created is because he has nothing to prove.

So Jaundiced is being perfectly 'mature' by constantly attacking the same individual, yet when I mock his (her? who knows?) name, that's somehow childish. Right.... double standards, as expected as it's the internet.

The fact I am Coco's friend and neighbour is entirely irrelevant here. If J has any comments about my property or creations, I'm sure [insert relevant gender definition] is perfectly capable.

If J is responsible for 'many of the commercial builds' - I just hope that it's not like that copycat purple monstrosity that forced me to abandon my 'first land.

I've asked before, and I'll ask again. Provide some landmarks so that we may freely see what J has created, so they can back up their claims of the quality of their work. My guess is that there'll be some lamearse excuse to 'privacy' or whatever as to why this isn't forthcoming. My property is freely identified in my signature for anyone who wishes to visit. I have nothing to hide.

*pulls up a chair and grabs popcorn* I'm waiting. Here's your chance to prove your skills. Or will you simply dismiss it as 'trolling' because I expect a specific answer?

To be perfectly honest, given sufficient time, virtually any player could make an identical copy of whatever could be considered 'the best content' in game, as we all have the same basic tools to work with. The only difference is whether someone is willing to put in the time to learn how to do so. But at the end of the day, 'best' is subjective anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Lewis

I would disagree. Not all the hard work and persistance in the world will allow you to become as good at something as a person who does the same, and has creative genius. It's that 1% of inspiration that seperates the good from the divine.

The most important tool is the brain, and we don't all have the same types. An amazing texture artist may suck as a scripter for example.

Technical execution aside, yes I would agree that the rest is a matter of taste.

Accepted. But for most things, it's merely a matter of time, as we all have the ability to learn the same skills.... I guess where we differ ultimately is whether we are prepared to put the time in to learn it.

I'm still learning, I accept I have a long long way to go in many respects. But each time I succeed - or fail - I've learnt something new.

Lewis

One of my favorites of Jau's is Lo Lo Acessories, Miramare built for Caroline Apollo. Its a stunning sculptural building located on a beautiful Plaza in the heart of the city sims (Miramare 8, 69). It's worth checking out. It was featured in that Virtual Suburbia blog awhile back actually.

Actually Jauani is being childish when he does it too. I think if you paid attention, you'd probably be able to find a post or two where I told him to quit being a shit stirrer, but I wouldn't want you to go through any trouble just so you'd know what you were talking about or anything.



Then why did you bring it up at all? It either matters or it doesn't. Decide which.


I doubt very seriously it would be anything like that, but hey, at least you're going in with an open mind.



My skills at what? Providing links to other peoples' builds?



Okay, go ahead. I'd like you to start with Castle Blackmore in Stillman. Let me know when you've finished. I'll wait.
*eats popcorn*

Heh.... nice to have met you there when I went to look

I honestly couldn't see anything "amazingly clever" in the block of 55 prims that made up the structure of the shop. It's hollow, and curved... I would probably have done the railings as transparent textures rather than use up prims as individual parts but that's me.

It's kinda "minimalist" I guess, which isn't everyones taste.... but then again, neither are hot pink sexball blinging lagfest clubs.

I don't claim my club structure to be anything special - after all, it's "just a box" - but it's "my" box, and I like it, which at the end of the day, is the most important thing.

Lewis

Hmmm perhaps you're thinking of the wrong place? It clearly says "by Juro Kothari" in the title.

Can you clarify?

Lewis

What needs clarifying? You said anything could be reproduced by anyone, and I gave you something to reproduce.

Or did you just mean that anyone could reproduce anything Jauani may have done, but not stuff anyone else has done?

You're one to talk about character, Barney.

Lewis, Barney was a friend of mine in TSO. There he had a court, and I spent many hours in Alphaville playing with him and mutual friends, with all kinds of sillyness like that. I was "Princess of Quite a Lot" in the court of . . . whatever his name was there.

Once DC opened, Zeena and I spent lots of time in their preserves place. I guess he just wanted the dwell all along. I don't know.

Here, he helped me when I was new, and I very much enjoyed talking building with him. Everything was fine, I thought. I have never done anything to him, but play with him in various games, talk him up to other players, help him and his businesses, etc.

However, it is news to me - I learn in this thread, and in the other one, the one I originally started - through shocking back-stabbing statements that he is appearing on these forums now as my enemy.

I think it would have been nice if he had warned me first. I don't like getting stabbed in the back from someone who acted like a friend to my face for years.

coco

While I have mad respect for experiential learning and going through the grind to develop oneself, I've also been keenly aware with something I disagreed with strongly in the past: amazing leaps of intuition. I've seen some people just come out of nowhere and start showing incredible talent that was previously "locked" or "hidden away" before. Of course, "nowhere" isn't literal, because so many things are connected and a person's life experience has layers upon layers, but after (what appears to me as) a long initial hibernation period, things just explode.

I'm recalled of some of my fave kung fu movies, where the hero has to be forcibly humiliated and beaten down by an aggressive opponent so that the hero's "chi" or "life force" can be unblocked. At some point (or not a point at all, but more of an expanding environs), the hero makes this leap and totally lays the smackdown on the baddy. Kung Fu Hustle has a contemporary, comedic example of this.

Specific to SL, I've had some friends who've toiled away at building and built like crap for months on end. And then one day, something just changed, and wonder blossomed. I would have thot it'd be more of a gradual, logical progression in which I could sort out the elements of progress easier, but apparently this was not the case.

I love euphoric eurekas!

I agree.

Now consider it: I make three angel ornaments, designed to do nothing but sit on a table. Jauani goes out of his way to trash them, say they are worth only one star (which stands for "terrible," to call them mediocre, and to state that were I to give him one as a gift (fat chance) he would throw it in the trash.

Pretty harsh for something that really is, largely, a matter of taste, don't you think?

Take a look at those angels. Tell me they are "terrible." And expect me to believe you.

coco

Castle Blackmoor is a very impressive build, and I shall be including it in my mystery tours in the future.

I was really just interested in Jauani's building skills, as he claimed they were so much better than other's skills in that way.

The castle, I guess, could eventually be reproduced but it would take me a number of months to get anything that good - and, of course, I'd need a *lot* more land.

Lewis

Then where are they? I wasn't here for a vertu charity. As a house builder, I look at quite a bit of houses in the world and look to see who made them, and I have never found one made by Jauani. I don't care if it is a house or just what he made, I would like to see examples of his work.

coco

Thank you, Barney. I will check it out.

coco

Try a forum search for Vertu or something. It's not my fault you haven't seen any of his works, I'm not the one asking for something of his I can critique, and it's not my job to do the legwork for you.

I don't recall ever seeing him make that claim. Could you point out where I missed it?

Here you go... teleport to Frisch to see it.

Reproduction is nothing.

Creating is a whole other story.

Anyone can rez prims and copy numbers.