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There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

vivi Odets
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06-13-2006 16:58
From: Blue Linden
In summary, this was an issue that was discovered, investigated and resolved almost immediately...before this thread was started in fact. ... Next time, though, I suggest simply emailing [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] before wasting any perfectly good torches. ;p


Perhaps it would also be helpful if LL contacted folks like Siggy to apprise them of the situation?
Luciftias Neurocam
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06-13-2006 17:01
From: vivi Odets
Perhaps it would also be helpful if LL contacted folks like Siggy to apprise them of the situation?



I thought that they had? If not, that's the real screw up.
Siggy Romulus
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06-13-2006 17:06
Thanks Blue - now that we all got the answers we can lay this thread to rest :)
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crucial Armitage
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06-13-2006 17:12
From: Blue Linden


I don't know what it was like before residents retained IP rights for their creations, but I can guarantee that no Linden in their right mind would intentionally force permissions on an object to make it a freebie for teens. That's complete, insane, mind-bendingly paranoid nonsense!
...okay, phew. Sorry if that last paragraph could be considered an unconscionable breach of my normally calm, collected demeanor, but when in Rome...



you rock Blue !!!!!!!!


From: Blue Linden
Next time, though, I suggest simply emailing [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] before wasting any perfectly good torches. ;p


AWWWWWWWW CRAP WASTED DEM TOURCHES FOR NUTIN.


SEREIOULSY THOUGH glad to hear it was taken care of.
crucial Armitage
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06-13-2006 17:16
with over 8300 views and a 177 posts in what 3 days this thread may hold a record for most views and posts in a 3 day period :p
Juro Kothari
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06-13-2006 17:48
Glad to hear it is resolved! Thanks for the response, Blue! :)

Also, I fully endorse the idea of a legitimate way of selling content to the teen grid as a means of erasing any 'black market' for such goods. Now LL just has to figure out how to do it and preserve the PG rating for all such goods.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-13-2006 18:20
From: Blue Linden
I'm sorry not to have gotten to this thread sooner. What happened, that we would see Siggy's content on teen grid, was an exploit used by a main grid resident to send items purchased on the main grid to their teen. Customer support has handled the breach of TOS, resulting in the erasure of the teen account's inventory and the prevention of further items from being sent from the adult.

The teen had sold numerous items and I followed the transaction record to their new owners. The items retained their intended next owner permissions and as such are not a threat to return someday to the main grid as "freebies". I did not take the items from the teens who believed they had purchased them legitimately.

What should LL do about the illicit transfer of main grid goods to the teen grid? I'm with Surreal. A means of allowing the legitimate sale of objects between grids, by vetted vendors, would almost entirely dissolve any existing "black market" for main grid objects and provide teens with access to a group of consumers more than 10x as large as their current market. We've been considering varying options, including web shopping and inter-grid commerce regions. There are numerous technical issues to consider, and so there's no immediate remedy. Suffice it to say, it's not considered a negligible issue.

As for other concerns raised here, I'd like to mirror the emotional tone of this thread if I could, so please bear with me for a moment as I try to get into the spirit of the forums...
I don't know what it was like before residents retained IP rights for their creations, but I can guarantee that no Linden in their right mind would intentionally force permissions on an object to make it a freebie for teens. That's complete, insane, mind-bendingly paranoid nonsense!
...okay, phew. Sorry if that last paragraph could be considered an unconscionable breach of my normally calm, collected demeanor, but when in Rome...

In summary, this was an issue that was discovered, investigated and resolved almost immediately...before this thread was started in fact. Any similar issues of main grid content on the teen grid that have been identified by Lindens, Teens or Creators have also been quickly and effectively addressed. We are working to the best of our ability to make sure that these uncommon incidents become rarities if not completely unheard of. Your help in identifying objects, in this case by way of snapzilla, is much appreciated. Next time, though, I suggest simply emailing [email=blue@lindenlab.com]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] before wasting any perfectly good torches. ;p

Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

coco
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Juro Kothari
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06-13-2006 18:27
From: Cocoanut Cookie

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

Probably not. Reading a post by you that includes the word fuck, shit, bitch, or ass is clearly out of the norm for you. Four letter words form the foundation for Siggy's speech and are very much the norm for him.
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06-13-2006 19:32
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

coco



This question would be better addressed in Second Life Answers
Jonquille Noir
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06-13-2006 20:02
Do you actually not realize how you come across when you act like this, or are you so full of bitterness and jealousy that you just can't control yourself?

Wow.


From: Cocoanut Cookie
Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

coco
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06-13-2006 20:08
...and here I thought, with that statement, that Siggy was flirting. :(
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Vivianne Draper
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06-13-2006 21:10
y'know... i just gotta ask...

how come the xcite genitals don't ever end up copied on the TG? Or any of the hundreds of other adult-oriented things?

I mean when I was a teen -- ok that was back in the dark ages when dinosaurs roamed the earth but we did have adult-oriented stuff made out of thatch and bone and wood carvings -- and it was all the rage amongst the teen set becuase of course you couldn't have any until you were of legal age. And if I'm a young boy of, say, 15 or so, and I'm lookin for something to copy -- I'd think I might go straight for the gentials! What fun!


And Siggy-- I'm very sorry this happened to you. I know something nasty happened with you and the hot tub and this has gotta be a hot issue for you. Suxxors. :(
Vivianne Draper
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06-13-2006 21:11
No cause see, Blue took Siggy's advice and went out and got fucked. So he's like, in a good mood now. But he's already done it. So if you give the same advice, eh it just doesn't do the same thing. You have to come up with new advice to get the same treatment :)



From: Cocoanut Cookie
Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

coco
crucial Armitage
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06-13-2006 21:16
From: Blue Linden
...and here I thought, with that statement, that Siggy was flirting. :(



ROFLMFAO
Zephria Zapata
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06-13-2006 21:46
From Blu'es Comment

I'm sorry not to have gotten to this thread sooner. What happened, that we would see Siggy's content on teen grid, was an exploit used by a main grid resident to send items purchased on the main grid to their teen. Customer support has handled the breach of TOS, resulting in the erasure of the teen account's inventory and the prevention of further items from being sent from the adult.



It so simple lol keep the kids off the main grid ..
like the lindens said they would do from the start when you all we thinking of doing this and keep the teen grid separte

what happened to that one prommise .... ????
Siggy Romulus
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06-13-2006 22:31
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.


Hmmm 13 pages of a lot of people with the same questions and even more concerns - I think its a valid point - brought to a wide number of people asking the same question, and getting answers.

Would your head a'splode if I told you that I'd gotten the answers officially in world earlier, and brought up that a lot of people would benefit from receiving an official post on the problems and the policies?

I think your problem isn't with the information that was given out, but with the catalyst. Yeah, I'm a firebrand - and thats not likely to change in the future, so rather than obsessing over it just get on with your second life.


From: someone

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?
coco


Hope springs eternal, maybe you'll have a smoke afterwards and be a lil calmer.
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Michi Lumin
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06-13-2006 22:38
Coco, sometimes there are more important overall causes to fight for than who's getting more cookies on a certain day from LL.

This was an issue that other residents needed to discuss. Answers would have likely received a boilerplate reply, simply since it's the nature of the forum.

I guess the constant fear some folks have that one resident may be getting more glances from the Lab than another will never be completely put to rest, but I guarantee you that in human society, that phenomena will never subside, either.

Some days you're ahead, some days you're behind.

If LL can address problems like this, the technicalities and venue are a detail.

LL stepped up to the plate on this one; this is a good thing, and I think it's a bit much to come down on them for something as negligible as its context.

Indeed, if some day you do get fucked, you may end up receiving similar treatment. That is, as long as LL isn't barked at and bitten for responding at all. Blue even expressed his trepidations about "Forum culture".

If that happens enough times, maybe they won't bother next time.
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06-13-2006 22:39
Haven't read every message in this thread but wondered if I was correct in assuming the permissions had been edited to allow full access by everyone who bought one of the offending items?

Also wondered if since the two grids are actually really one, what stops people from crossing over in the first place? (Read NOOB me here ;p)

And is SL boutique accessible from BOTH areas?
In other words could items be bought via an SLBoutique type service and taken into the teen grid that was edited for full access permissions etc. with a bit of preplanning?

Didn't see any reference to this anwhere and wondered if this might be a weak point...

Thanks in advance and have a nice SCOND LIFE ;)
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06-13-2006 22:54
From: Cocoanut Cookie

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?



siggy's content is so good that people try to steal it from an entirely seperate grid. as far as i know, no one has snapzilla'd a christmas angel from the teen grid ... ;)
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06-13-2006 23:04
From: Siggy Romulus
Would your head a'splode if I told you that I'd gotten the answers officially in world earlier, and brought up that a lot of people would benefit from receiving an official post on the problems and the policies?


It should make mine go boom, but is sadly typical.
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Lash Xevious
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06-13-2006 23:11
Thanks for answering, Blue. But honestly, why punish these exploit opportunists with mere slaps on the wrists? Send them to the corn field ... with flexi cornstalks beating them over the head or something. Peewee Herman's laugh constantly looping whatever. String em by their toes over a lake of rabid hippos. I dunno ... Just make them sufferrrr. :p

From: someone
Blue, you have here a resident who refused to post in Second Life Answers like everyone else (unless he did when I didn't notice), demanding attention in this very thread, and who told the Lindens "fuck you in the arse" as well.

For that, you reward him by coming into his thread and apologizing for not getting to him sooner.

If I tell you to get fucked, will I get special handling like this?

coco


And for fuck's sake, this isn't the first time, no will it be the last time, that a Linden replied to a thread outside of SL Answers.

DUH.
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06-13-2006 23:46
From: Siggy Romulus
Hmmm 13 pages of a lot of people with the same questions and even more concerns - I think its a valid point - brought to a wide number of people asking the same question, and getting answers.

Would your head a'splode if I told you that I'd gotten the answers officially in world earlier, and brought up that a lot of people would benefit from receiving an official post on the problems and the policies?

I think your problem isn't with the information that was given out, but with the catalyst. Yeah, I'm a firebrand - and thats not likely to change in the future, so rather than obsessing over it just get on with your second life.

Hope springs eternal, maybe you'll have a smoke afterwards and be a lil calmer.


This has been a great thread, now we have a communication open with LL on new ways to share Linden approved content between grids as well as protect our content rights.

Thanks Siggy
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-13-2006 23:47
From: Michi Lumin
Coco, sometimes there are more important overall causes to fight for than who's getting more cookies on a certain day from LL.

This was an issue that other residents needed to discuss. Answers would have likely received a boilerplate reply, simply since it's the nature of the forum.

I guess the constant fear some folks have that one resident may be getting more glances from the Lab than another will never be completely put to rest, but I guarantee you that in human society, that phenomena will never subside, either.

Some days you're ahead, some days you're behind.

If LL can address problems like this, the technicalities and venue are a detail.

LL stepped up to the plate on this one; this is a good thing, and I think it's a bit much to come down on them for something as negligible as its context.

Indeed, if some day you do get fucked, you may end up receiving similar treatment. That is, as long as LL isn't barked at and bitten for responding at all. Blue even expressed his trepidations about "Forum culture".

If that happens enough times, maybe they won't bother next time.


While I agree with you, I would just like to note that Sensual Casanova, who raised the issue of sex on the teen grid by showing images from Snapzilla of teens on the teen grid running around topless even though they are supposed to have permanent tshirts on and asking about why this is allowed was rewarded with a three day suspension and the thread closing. Also an important topic as well, and there was a discussion going on with it when Zapoteth swooped in yet and and sent it off for Linden review, never to be seen again, out of concerns about pixel boobs (instead of just asking her to remove them). There is zero consistency in TOS enforcement. It is a completely arbitrary joke.
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06-14-2006 00:33
From: Jonquille Noir
Do you actually not realize how you come across when you act like this, or are you so full of bitterness and jealousy that you just can't control yourself?

Wow.

Why don't you psychoanalyze your own self?

Doesn't it occur to you that there are people who simply abhor different rules for different folks? Or is that concept beyond you?

coco
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06-14-2006 00:38
From: Siggy Romulus
Hmmm 13 pages of a lot of people with the same questions and even more concerns - I think its a valid point - brought to a wide number of people asking the same question, and getting answers.

Would your head a'splode if I told you that I'd gotten the answers officially in world earlier, and brought up that a lot of people would benefit from receiving an official post on the problems and the policies?

I think your problem isn't with the information that was given out, but with the catalyst. Yeah, I'm a firebrand - and thats not likely to change in the future, so rather than obsessing over it just get on with your second life.

Hope springs eternal, maybe you'll have a smoke afterwards and be a lil calmer.

lol - I see that you have changed my quote in your signature! That is pretty funny.

coco
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