There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

Two possibilities:

(1) In the past, it was possible for someone to create an account on the main grid, then create an SLBoutique or SLExchange account. After doing so, they could then admit to being a teen, and be transferred, while still maintaining their SLB or SLEx account (their avatar key was NOT changed when the transfer occurred). This happened a lot when the teen grid initially opened, and I heard reports of teens reselling at highly inflated prices; almost a black market. Blue notified me a few times of accounts to close down. I had heard LL was going to close the loophole, but am unable to verify as I can not be transferred to the teen grid to test it out.

(2) The Linden Lab teen grid team has been know to transfer items they think are great to the teen grid under their ownership for public use. I'd be very curious to know who is the owner on Siggy's diving board.

I really wish there was more we could do to close this potential loophole, however, with them really being "on our grid but hidden", there's also potentially a ton of OTHER loop holes (like the Groups loophole that was found recently).

Regards,

-Flip

I want the rules changed.

I want to dictate the license for my intellectual property and I want the software to assist me in enforcing that license.

I want digital watermarks on my textures so that if they are grabbed using external software and re-imported to the asset server I will either be notified for permission or the system will not allow it.

I want to be able to run a report on an asset and get a list of all current owners of said asset so I can then compare that list to the list of avatars I have licensed my IP to. If my license stipulates that I can terminate it at any time I want to be able to pull said asset from said owner.

SL is not the Web -- it is, for the most part, a closed system with a centralized asset server. I want everything done within the system to help me to enforce my rights. C'mon LL enough with the IP lipservice, you've got a lot of really smart people there, let's throw some resource at this problem and come up with the best possible solution. Nothing will ever be perfect, of course, but some effort would be appreciated.

I'm really sorry this happened to you, Sig.

Seriously. I can't begin to imagine what they were thinking when they made that decision.

(2) The Linden Lab teen grid team has been know to transfer items they think are great to the teen grid under their ownership for public use. I'd be very curious to know who is the owner on Siggy's diving board.

...is this reality - LL copy what they want and give it away? Without talking to us that design/work hours to make things?

Pls.. explain... and I hope its not the reality..


/Tina

FYI: When you accept the TOS you grant LL license to use your content in whatever way they want in SL. so if they want to distribute your content in the teen grid or in any place in SL, you give them full license to use your content in that manner.

Here is the pertinent language you agree to in the TOS:

LICENSE TERMS AND OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY TERMS

3.2 "You also understand and agree that by submitting your Content to any area of the Service, you automatically grant (or you warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted) to Linden Lab and to all other users of the Service a non-exclusive, worldwide, fully paid-up, transferable, irrevocable, royalty-free and perpetual License, under any and all patent rights you may have or obtain with respect to your Content, to use your Content for all purposes within the Service. You further agree that you will not make any claims against Linden Lab or against other users of the Service based on any allegations that any activities by either of the foregoing within the Service infringe your (or anyone else's) patent rights

Yes, although this contradicts Philip's statements.

The meat of the matter is that Second Life requires content creators to exist in it's current form. If enough of us lose all confidence in LL's ability and willingess to protect our work, then we will vote with our feet. If there is nothing left to steal but low quality crap.... And even things you make for yourself aren't safe, then SL is gonna poof.

If SL's future is going to be consumer-only, commercial grids with dev teams providing all content (like most games), then I guess all this is moot.

However, if you "vote against this" with your feet - then LL can just do the same thing again. Restore your content from backups of the asset server, and replace all your deleted vendors.

It's very unlikely they'd actually do this, because they'd lose trust - but if they've lost trust anyway, there's no reason not to. And be warned that economic changes are already making it more viable for them. In an environment where everyone has to pay US$ for L$, it's very probable that there's already sufficient content in the world to satisfy anyone's demand to pay US$ for.



SL's future already is a grid with dev team equivalents providing all content.

Yes - its absolutely true.

You would at least like to be informed though - for instance if things bork your autoupdaters - if you are trying to provide customer service.

There are alot of things you can do in life - just because you can - however it doesn't necessarily mean you should.

You misunderstand me. If you "vote with your feet" then you've already decided that you've been screwed and there is nothing you can do, so if your stuff is still in world *shrug*. Loss of future efforts, not present.

I was cleaning out my inventory yesterday. Content is improving all the time. And SL's economy is driven by the exactly same thing as the US. Consumers consuming. People buy because they want stuff, not because they need stuff. You can never satisfy that hunger.

He even had a song about it.

Read first page. Get over it. You're an adult so stop CARING what goes on in the teen grid.

I do not comment this anymore or I will get banned from this country for life - LOL

/Tina - EXAKT at once stopping her sometimes to sharp tongue to move..

Read the TOS... go back and cash out 20 lindens and get a clue.

Wow thats a very flippant response. Siggy cares about his product and how it got on the teen grid and has every right to. There are more and more failures in the content creation system allowing people to blatantly steal the works of others and to transfer things from MG to TG without the creators knowledge. Those are big issues that are very relevant and not just chalked up to your sumation of get over it.

Isn't there a Clue Fat Pack for the truly clueless?

The bigger issues on that are:

Transferance of content across is a suspendable offense - and the first suspect will be the creator.

Secondly - how much of the grand IP speech was malarky and PR?

Thirdly - when someone comes here from the teen grid do they keep their content - and if so what if something you made was 'appropriated' and made free? potentially it could really screw some people if their products came back to the adult grid with copy and transfer.

i think these are all things that should be addressed.

I agree. I would hate to see quality and unique content creation become pointless due to all of these exploits and failures in the system.

As more and more outside businesses invest in Second Life as a viable business platform these issues will continue to grow. Imagine Disney opening a virtual Disney store and selling their brand merchandise -- then Disney's stuff getting ripped off through exploits in the system by thieves who just want to make quick cash. Can you imagine the lawsuits that would probably be a consequence of such things not to mention bad press?

I found out some of the freebie furry avatars on MG are being sold on TG. Ain't gonna tell you my sources though... :/

I remember being shown the white wolf (one of Kithy's avs) by a friend of mine.

I believe LL would make sure that didn't happen.

coco

All I can say is that we've had similar issues, and getting any action taken was a nightmare...

It's not only freebie avs.

Does this section cover patents rights and not mention other rights one might have such as copyrights or trademark righs?

Siggy, this is definitely a subject that needs to be addressed.. and soon.

granted, by posting during the weekend, an answer can't really be expected until tomorrow at the earliest. but my main point is that i suggest posting in SL Answers as well. you may get a quicker response that way.. especially in the light of not being the only one asking this type of question in that forum.

good luck to everyone with this, i would hate to see this as yet another exploit that is used to undermine original content in SL.

You said it, but I was thinking it.

Maybe a change of the TOS is in order and a petition to LL may solve this if enough people were to petition.