There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

Jeebus, just wait until the Lindens find out about the the X-rated easter eggs Siggy puts into ALL of his products. When the first teen goes to the parents asking, "What exactly is pyropedonecrophilaquabestiality, mom?", maybe the Lindens will see some of the folly of their ways on no required proof of age and some of the slackness in things that are being found on the teen grid.

Let's just hope they don't find the "munging" easter egg.

Regards,

-Flip

PS: Pyropedonecrophilaquabestiality is the engaging in sexual activity with young dead animals under water while they're on fire. The wikipedia entry seems to have been purged, however.

Why am I not the least bit surprised that you possess this knowledge?



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I wonder if they even can fix it? It's all the same asset server, and the same grid - accounts move back and forth between the two. If it is happening to Siggy, it is happening to probably 10 times as many people who don't know their stuff is there. It's a big mess, but I'm not sure exactly how they can clean it up.

That sounds like soemthing I've said at one point.

Hmmph ... exploit.

Looks like LL better do something beyond just enforcement and bans if they're gonna want to avoid all the damaging easter eggs.

Exactly HOW can you tell what name it's got on it as "creator" and what perms it's got FROM A PIC?

Who said he did?

I believe he was demanding to know what perms it DID have.

Trigger happy much?

Come on, he recognizes his stuff. Siggy's stuff is rather distinctive.

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Dont matter. The teen grid is no secret. A lot of old timers probably have a couple expatriots from the main grid who currently play on teengrid that they can ask about stuff like that... That is, players who played on the main grid before there was a teengrid, then moved when they could. I know I do.

Right on the Snapzilla pic the owner was asking Siggy when he made the diving board - just have a look.
SNAPZILLA PIC

Wait, let me get this straight. You posted to the main place to get a bunch of random guesses fueled by varying degrees of ignorance to ask for an official answer?

Why not just directly contact LL, which is a hell of a lot less prone to noise than these forums? (No, I'm not trying to imply I'm better than that, I know I've contributed more than a bit of noise, myself. )

interesting - will be looking for Linden Lab response.

Anything transferable can be sent to any other agent, regardless of what "grid" they are on, and regardless of whether you can bring them up in Find. This is what happened with Wells Fargo. People bought clothes there for L$10 and transferred them to their main grid accounts. I'm kinda surprised this hasn't been plugged.

The stuff that gets transferred should keep its perms, so I doubt there are zillions of copies being distributed for free over there. If it's no copy + trans, it should only be possible to deliver one at a time, and you'd have to buy each one individually, and you'd lose your copy during the transfer.

Hey, great. I wonder when they're going to start transfering bondage collars and poseball sets? That ought to be fun.

First of all - both items are identical - right down to the placement of reset buttons - right down to the textures - prims sizes - twisted tori.

Second of all - if you followed the link and actually LOOKED you'd see the poster of the picture asking how long ago Siggy Romulus created this item.

Next question?

Because I think its a big enough issue that all people who make things need addressed.

Because transferring stuff between grids is supposededly a TOS violation - and when an object is transfered the first suspect is going to be the creator.

I said in a previous post what I wanted - an official word on why and how - and I think a lot of other people deserve to know too.

next question?

Let's not be silly. We, as creators of objects/clothing/textures/scripts have zero right over our own stuff. Anyone who still thinks we do is, quite frankly, retarded.

LL..... what do you plan to do about this? Do you even plan to make a half-assed gesture? And I don't want some bullshit 3 page smoke-blowing happy watermelon fest from your resident fall-thing... I want a real answer from someone who knows what they're talking about.

not even taking the TOS into account here, how the hell do you do customer support and product upgrades for a grid you cant access??

It is hogwash, and this is easy to confirm. Go look at Germaine LaFolette's Bingo game. It's the one owned by me, made by Xylor Baysklef and Arito Cotton. We have

- pictures from the day it was copied, with it with all the original textures, pictures of the Edit screen showing who did it,

- copies of the chat log where one of the people admits to stealing it,

- copies of the chat logs from Jeff Linden being called immediately to come look at it,

- copies of the abuse reports and DMCA filing,

- copies of the chat log from when Daniel Linden came out to investigate it.


For the past several months, we've been trying to contact Ginsu for a response. I've talked to several Lindens asking for a response from Ginsu, and no phone call and no emails, but promises of both.

All this time, money has been made from a product designed and owned by one resident, and crafted by two other residents. It was a lot of work, and it was good work.

They copied it, and were going to use it just like it was. After being confronted, they changed the textures. But we have pictures showing side by side comparisons that prove it is the original that was stolen.

LL does not protect IP rights, even with pictures, original objects with side by side comparisons, pictures, chatlogs, and a DMCA filing.

The game continues to be used for profit to this day, without offer of payment of a single L$ or a word of apology. Daniel Linden allowed her to do so. Colin Linden was the DMCA agent at the time, and I believe he violated the DMCA laws by not following the process and doing a takedown. Ginsu Linden and Linden Lab continue, I believee, to violate the laws of the DMCA process by not doing a takedown.

There is, for many reasons, probably no game better known in SL history. Because of this, numerous residents easily recognize its functionality, textures, models, and scripts. Xylor and Arito did a really excellent job on that game. I designed it, paid Xylor many, many, many times what he asked for it (Arito refused payment), and promoted their talents which have been recognized many times over.

I'm well aware of the small faction of people who disliked me holding my Bingo game, but never once has anyone been able to deny its excellent design and craftsmanship. Because of that, out of respect for the skills of Xylor and Arito, and the LL purported rights of all craftspersons in SL, I ask you to join me in my quest to have the game taken down, and all monies earned via it returned to me as its owner, for equal distribution to myself, Xylor and Arito. I pledge my share of these monies as a donation to my local food bank, and will provide documentation from the city's Director of Social Services that the donation has been made.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Candie

Are there any blogg or home page by any (serious human) - that show up AL this... things in this thread.. a ”collection” of stolen things... (no names mentioned)..

Like a history of stolen designs/productions in SL. a museeum.. (no names mentioned at this forum)..

/Tina - EXAKT curious.....

You know, those water slides don't look very complex prim or texturewise...

Are you certain someone just didn't "cheap knockoff" your slide ala imitation Gucci or Rolex?

They're scripted. Siggy makes excellent products -- it's not just the prims, it's the animations and the scripts within.

I believe this:

http://www.doi.org/tools.html

and this:

http://www.connotea.org/


could be used together as a means of documenting textures, scripts, models, etc before distributing them whether for free or for sale, and providing a reference point with date of first ownership.

I'm way too tired to set it up myself, let alone to research it further, but the research I have done so far makes it look very viable. Maybe one you young 'uns with energy could research it further, set up a test website, and have a few people use it to determine viability.

It's not perfect, but it's the best thing I've seen for documenting creation and ownership, and would at the very least provide good documentation to accompany DMCA filings.

In this case, with the teen grid, if this had been in place, the documentation could be provided to LL so they could do a comparison of the models, scripts, animations, etc.

I had found this a while ago, and thought at the time it would be a good thing for SL residents to set up and use. Maybe people could display a 'membership' sign, and that would deter IP thieves. The DOI could be put in the description of each model, script, texture, etc. People could be better assured that they were not buying stolen items. I think some sort of system like this (that I'm too tired to design let alone build) would deter IP thievery and selling of freebies. Freebies could be registered, and people could look up the item before buying and see that they could actually get it for free rather than buying.

I think a group can be set up (Second Life) in Connotea, and then each person could set up their own registry site within that group, maybe paying a small fee to the maintainer of the group site, and a fee to the maintainer to set up and maintain their registry for them if they didn't have time to do it themselves.

Hope this helps.

Candie


Edit: P.S. Maybe this would even qualify for some LL support as an experimental/educational/non-profit project