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There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:05
And 'oh there was a glitch don't fucking cut it'

My waterslides on the teen grid?

Oh great - my diving board too!

Priceless - and a request for someone to IM me about it.

What kind of bullshit is that?

Fuck you - fuck you all in the arse - I'm pissed
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Kyle Gilman
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06-10-2006 19:09
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Enabran Templar
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06-10-2006 19:09
hahaha

Dude, could well have been a MG deported to the TG.
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Richie Waves
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06-10-2006 19:09
o.O thats maddness.. are you sure you dont have tyler durden style alt thats in the TG by day?
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:12
From: Enabran Templar
hahaha

Dude, could well have been a MG deported to the TG.


yeah right.... No swimmers though.... well not YET anyways
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crucial Armitage
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06-10-2006 19:17
popcorn any one this one looks like it should be good.

any bets on how long it will take for them to lock this one.

seriously though Siggy i really hope there is a very good explanation for this. Like Enabran said maybe its a main grid ave that was moved to teen grid.
Gabe Lippmann
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06-10-2006 19:25
Just out of curiosity, what would a good explanation be?
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:27
Well we can speculate and say 'well maybe this and that' but no, I want an explanation - and I want it from LL , and I want it posted publically.

Was it transfered? Are they being sold there? I'm not there - I don't know - but in light of the 'oooh we respect your IP rights' bullshit I think those questions should be answered - officially.

And I think everyone here would like to know the answers to those questions.
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:27
From: Gabe Lippmann
Just out of curiosity, what would a good explanation be?


Pretty easy - how did things I made end up on the teen grid. How did those people get them.

Are they being sold there? what are their permissions?

Pretty easy to find out - go to the person who owns them and say 'how did you get that?'
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Ashen Stygian
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06-10-2006 19:31
From: crucial Armitage
popcorn any one this one looks like it should be good.

any bets on how long it will take for them to lock this one.

seriously though Siggy i really hope there is a very good explanation for this. Like Enabran said maybe its a main grid ave that was moved to teen grid.



Orr maybe the explaination is that it was passed either via Linden (Who can change perms) or via exploit.


If someone was deported with the diving board they would probably know how old it was and not need to ask :::

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Can someone on MG do me a favour and IM Siggy Romulus and ask him when he made his diving board? (Leave a comment saying when if you do) Thanks so much!
(quoted from Snapzilla )

Seriously, browsing Teen Snapzilla now there's a lot of MG items in their photos, that's clear. Unless there is a lot of deportation going on then I doubt that is the answer.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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06-10-2006 19:33
The items don't look too difficult to replicate.

Someone may have replicated the items from a pic. It's also possible he has access to the main grid and studied your creations there.
Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:37
I think its fishy to tell the truth as I was asked a month ago if I could 'transfer' a diving board and a waterslide because someones son wanted to make a waterpark - my answer at the time was 'no can do - even if it wasn't a bannable offense to transfer things to the teen grid theres no way to transfer the object'.

Voila - a month later and what do we have...
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:37
From: Aodhan McDunnough
The items don't look too difficult to replicate.

Someone may have replicated the items from a pic. It's also possible he has access to the main grid and studied your creations there.


the items are IDENTICAL and all my objects are scripted - the waterslides especially so - the diving board is scripted - still has me as the creator - and has about 14 animations in it.

Next question.
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Jonquille Noir
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06-10-2006 19:38
This is not the first instance I've seen of adult-ECLUSIVE items being sold on the teen grid, though it is the first from nmy husband.

So LL...... what's the deal? How did this, and other Adult Only items get over there?

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS?
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Little Rebel Designs
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as well he should be... and what are the perms of the items on once they make it over
06-10-2006 19:48
Something tells me this is just the tip of the iceberg. Hope I am wrong.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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06-10-2006 19:49
Its no secret that adults with children have them signed up on the teen grid and are selling their items using the teen as a front. Whether they can trade items if they all use the same computer, who knows. The whole concept that the grids are separate is a joke. I saw Wynx's pony in a pic Torrid posted along with what looks like Abramelin's saddle.

As I posted previously, concern about loss of sales money is the least concern. At a minimum its an exploit allowing the back and forth transfer of items, perhaps related to a single family accessing both grids on the same PC, or its just teens/adults who log back and forth and copy items. Who knows, maybe its a free for all distribution of content by LL.

I expect now that anyone can create an account without age verification we will be seeing more of this.
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Dianne Mechanique
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06-10-2006 19:54
From: Siggy Romulus
Well we can speculate and say 'well maybe this and that' but no, I want an explanation - and I want it from LL , and I want it posted publically.

Was it transfered? Are they being sold there? I'm not there - I don't know - but in light of the 'oooh we respect your IP rights' bullshit I think those questions should be answered - officially.

And I think everyone here would like to know the answers to those questions.
An interesting angle might be the fact that when it was discovered that some items were unintentionally put for sale in the Wells Fargo sim without the consent of the creators, profuse apologies were offered by LL.

Regardless of the whole teen grid issue, the idea of it being "wrong" to have items for sale in a separate part of the game that the creator does not know about and cannot access or check up on seems to be a well established precedent.

Even if some dimwit adult or Linden actually bought the thing and transferred it over in an above board fashion with all the permissions intact, I still think that this is already established as "wrong" based on that experience.

LL bent over backwards at the time to assert that it was a "mistake" and that they would never allow it to happen again.
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Dianne Mechanique
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06-10-2006 19:54
From: Siggy Romulus
Well we can speculate and say 'well maybe this and that' but no, I want an explanation - and I want it from LL , and I want it posted publically.

Was it transfered? Are they being sold there? I'm not there - I don't know - but in light of the 'oooh we respect your IP rights' bullshit I think those questions should be answered - officially.

And I think everyone here would like to know the answers to those questions.
An interesting angle might be the fact that when it was discovered that some items were unintentionally put for sale in the Wells Fargo sim without the consent of the creators, profuse apologies were offered by LL.

Regardless of the whole teen grid issue, the idea of it being "wrong" to have items for sale in a separate part of the game that the creator does not know about and cannot access or check up on seems to be a well established precedent.

Even if some dimwit adult or Linden actually bought the thing and transferred it over in an above board fashion with all the permissions intact, I still think that this is already established as "wrong" based on that experience.

LL bent over backwards at the time to assert that it was a "mistake" and that they would never allow it to happen again.
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Just saw this on the police blotter
06-10-2006 19:55
Date: Monday, June 5, 2006
Violation: Terms of Service: Teen Grid Contact
Region: —
Description: exploiting bug to send items to TG
Action taken: Suspended 7 days

So it seems there is some way to do this, and it seems to be a suspendable offense.
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 19:57
Thats well and good - but its specualtion - and it's not loss of money - it's the principle of the matter.

If transfering items across is against the TOS - and the grids are supposedly seperate - how did that happen?

I want the answers to these questions - officially - and I don't think it's an unreasonable request:

1. How did THOSE items get transferred (not speculation - not 'well it could happen' I want to know how THOSE particular items got there.

2. Are they being sold over there? What are the permissions on those items.

3. Is this a one off - or is there a bunch of my stuff circulation on the teen grid.

I don't think thats much to ask.

Why is it important? Because if its anything other than a deportation then the whole whooplah speech given circa 1.1 about IP rights and respect and all that is hogwash.

And if it's hogwash - I think we have the right to know it is.
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2006 20:01
From: Dianne Mechanique
An interesting angle might be the fact that when it was discovered that some items were unintentionally put for sale in the Wells Fargo sim without the consent of the creators, profuse apologies were offered by LL.
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This is also a concern. And a valid one, and why I would like some official answers.

There was a past incident where someone ripped a script from a no-mod object and distributed it - so my faith in these matters is already damaged.
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06-10-2006 20:08
From: Siggy Romulus


Fuck you - fuck you all in the arse



I would have used caps for this line for more impact.
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06-10-2006 20:10
From: Siggy Romulus
If transfering items across is against the TOS - and the grids are supposedly seperate - how did that happen?


The grids are not really separate at all. The separation is an artificial contrivance built into the software of the grid to make them appear separate. However, the same asset server is used, and the teen/MG items are intermingled in storage.

Personally, I would've thought LL would have used a basic modicum of logic and just physically separated the grids. Instead, their 'separation' is prone to bugs and exploits.

Now that it's clear that MG items are 'migrating' to the Teen Grid without consent, I wanna know how LL is going to provide content creators with a way to double-check and verify that their items are not ending up on a grid they can't access.


- Newfie
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Lo Jacobs
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06-10-2006 20:11
I'm sorry this happened to you Siggy. I love your water slide.

There are a host of Wynx Whiplash's avatars on the TG -- not just the pony ones, Tinies as well.

While I can understand texture theft (clothing) making its way over to the TG -- at least there is an easy answer for that -- what puzzles me are the objects like Siggy's and Wynx's -- prims, scripts, animations and the like. Very worrying.

I'd like to have an answer as well.
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06-10-2006 20:20
It's tempting to give my daughter that teen grid account she's been wanting and see what else has been ripped from the main grid.

Any content creators whose items have crossed over unbeknownst to them have every right to cry foul.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath that any satisfactory explanation will be forthcoming.
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