There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

It would be a BIG site I think the thing to do is to start with what is most valuable that is being distributed (free or sold) now through a registry. Eventually, people will get tired of the old stuff, and they'll just disappear as new and more interesting items appear. If the new items are registered, I think it will deter theft.

Nothing will completely prevent theft, but I think it can be better deterred, and something set up to provide an easy reference point and documentation of first ownership for DMCA claims. After a number of DMCA claims are filed, if LL acts on them, I think theft will be further deterred.

For a start - they work - they aren't static objects.

See above - my other posts re: scripting. See above re request on snapzilla to contact me about when items were made.

Lets put all that aside for a moment though. Lets pretend occams razor doesn't even exist.

It's easy to 'copy the numbers' so lets say for argument sake they copied them prim for prim.

With mine on the mainland and one on the teen grid - how does that occur without some account crossovers? Very unlikely that no teen was in the mature grid nor a mature in the teen for some of that process.

All this is moot because it's been confirmed via email that it is in fact - my work - and not a matter of deportation.

Personally I'm waiting for a public announcement on this re how this is going on, and if it is still able to happen - due to the nature of it (and the relevant sections of the TOS) , I beleive people who make content in SL have a right to know about it, and a right to know whats being done about it.

The problem here isn't so much 'stolen' - in my case someone probably paid for it - this is a seperate problem.

The main issue is that it is a TOS infringment for people to transfer things from one to the other - and rightfully so considering some of the anims and attachments that spring up.

So - I have no account on the teen grid - ergo the things I make should stay on the adult grid.

That simple.

Now if a Linden were to transfer it to the teen grid - I would expect them to contact me about it first (holding to the 1.1 speil on IP rights and all that rot) - I would expect them to honor that. If they don't - the whole IP rights speech is hogwash.

If it's transferred via an exploit, I hope that the exploiter has been dealt with, the hole is plugged, and that someone clarifies here that it has been.

I'd also hope that some clarification that permissions weren't fuxxed in the proccess too - that people products are somewhat safe.

This really, really begs for a Linden response.

My opinion on this is if a Teen creates an account on the Second Life website then fakes his name, birth, and so on then he/she should not be entitled to anything made by them or bought by them in Second Life (Adult Life) since they have broken the first rules that separate our world and theirs. When a character is suspected of being a child investigations need to take place and a whipping of all items before transfers need to take place. This will end the trouble of items finding their ways on to the Teen Grid and stop this problem from happening.

Do you sell your stuff on any of the online services, Siggy? (SLBoutique, SLex, SecondServer...) A lot of the deports from the main grid have accounts on those services that still work after deportation. I've had a few items of mine bought from SLBoutique that way.

Only on SLBoutique. But then again - the only way for SLB to send an item to the teen grid would be through the vendor prim (that I own) - a simple give inventory to key I beleive is used.


Now *IF* that can happen with no checks whatsoever - wouldn't that strike you as odd in a place where they want the two grids seperate to the point of it being a TOS violation to transfer from one to the other.

If it can do that - it shouldn't be able to - and I'm hoping it can't be because giving inventory on a key with no checking would be so trivially simple to transfer stuff from one grid to the other it would be a most boneheaded oversight.

Short Version : If they can through SLB that would be a Linden oversight in keeping them seperate.

Boneheaded indeed.

And can I have that big elephant over there? And a pony too?

Whence the expectation that they'll do what is good, right, honorable, fair, reasonable or consistent? I think this is wholly unsupported by past experience and by the Terms of Service (§ 3.2 ¶ 3):Or in less formal terms: piss off, you uploaded or built it, we can use it however we damn well please.

Can of worms.

Are you the only person who has a copy of said items, and does no other av have sufficient rights or permissions to rez them? If you are the only person in world to own or posess these items, and nobody else has ever received a copy, I would be very interested in how they turned up in the Teen grid. Sounds like theft.

Indeed. But it seems to be, by far, the most likely scenario.

It seems to me there is a much simpler possible explanation - there were, as far as I knew, a bunch of MG residents who voluntarily went over to the TG after it was opened. As I recall, they got to keep their inventory.

Instant MG -> TG transfer.

I don't know if this is what happened, but if the owner of said waterslide shows up in one of the name->key registries, they are probably a former MG resident...

- Jon

For that particular item I've been told in IM's that it was transfered via an exploit.

So we wait and see if this exploit will be plugged - but the more I look into it the more I see how trivial it would be not only to do this - but to take advantage of it.

And that isn't a good thing.

a male linden once came into my shop, bought a clothing item (female) and left.
I sent an IM informing him it was no transfer and that if he wanted it sent to someone I would do it for him at no cost.

I got no reply and found it a bit puzzling.

I think there is actually a much simpler possible explanation for this one.

Hey, what Phillip does in his free time is up to him.

On tuesday, numerous accounts got 7 day suspensions. I know this because a friend of mine was one of them.

Reason according to him, "sending items to people on the Teen Grid through an exploit".

On Friday all the sims in the MG and TG were restarted one at a time "to fix an exploit".

I do not know for sure that these are the same exploits, but it is an easy conclusion to come to.

So this has probably already been fixed.

'Probably' is nice - but what I'm asking in this thread is for the official word.

Yes - or no - and I think we are entitled to that.. mainly for the reasons you bring up - TOS violations and suspensions.

Last thing I want or need right now is to be getting asked questions because someone else can send stuff to the grid. Not even bring into the equation adult animations and prim cocks and the legalities LL faces about that kind of thing.

The teen grid has been up for a while now - and these kinds of holes are things that at this point in time shouldn't really exist.


Certainly should be higher on the big list than floppy prims if you ask me.

Has this been asked in Second Life Answers? I think Siggy should ask, he has a great way with words!

I'd be tempted to make a teen alt to sell stuff on the teen grid (using an actual RL teen to make it legal!) except my income is almost entirely from selling mature furry skins.

I'm told that Seburos are a pretty coveted item over on teengrid

A friend of mine recently got an IM from out of the blue (on MSN I think?) from the teengrid. Apparently Torrid's jeans are all the rage over there right now.

Now that there are plenty of exploits to rip textures, I'm sure that we're going to see all sorts of these things more often.

Someone asked LL, "What are you going to do to protect our IP rights?". I don't work for LL or anything, but I can already tell you the answer: "Nothing"

But! On the plus side, now that teens are being welcomed back on to the maingrid, you can now police them yourselves

Brilliant!
The following will become the most desirable summer job for High School teens:

Large retail chain buys sim, hires teens to socialize and hand out free scripted weapons to "friends".

Scripted bots attack.

Friends shoot or hunt bots, earning points toward Gap branded clothing wearable in SL and savings coupons redeemable at RL Gaps.

It's definitely interesting - the DOI side especially. I just woke up so I have not processed all of it, but I will look more into it. Thank you for suggesting this, Candie. I had no idea something like that existed.

I always thought it was insanely stupid to allow teens thrown off the main grid to keep their inventories. Thanks for breaking the rules. As a reward we're going to send you someplace where you'll have better stuff than everyone else. Oh the humanity! Now that SL is becoming a thieves paradise I imagine almost all good texture based content on the main grid will end up on the TG being used by hundreds or thousands of people with zero compensation to the creators and absolutely no way for them to know about it.

If LL is going to stand by and let MG content propogate on the TG then they should give us some mechanism to sell our wares over there. If they're going to end up with our shit anyway could we at least have some avenue for compensation?

At this point, with their brilliant new registration system, they should just get rid of the teen grid altogether. Don't cha know, they have to catch up to World of Warcraft's numbers any way that they can. Only 6 million members to go!