There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

A Good explanation would be; Sombody Saw your stuff, Liked it, Copied the design, and is now selling it on the Teen grid.

Looking at the designs, I could probably replicate it in about twenty to thirty minutes with a Moderate to Fair degree of accuracy.

You can use all the Building tools and exclusivity tools you want, But this building system Isn't rocket Science, and the Idea of ANY object remaining 100% exclusive to it's creator is Pure fantasy.

In the real world, you would hold a Patent, Or a Copyright (Unless Your creation Looked a little TOO much like someone elses) Then you would have recourse. No such mechanism exists, or is likely to exist here.

One other side point, I'm assuming You play on the Adult grid (Though by the timber of your Tantrum, I question the term "Adult" and these Offending items are on the Teen Grid Tapping a Market YOU have NO access to at all. So,, In just what way are you Losing here?

Cut down on your Caffine Intake, and worry about things you CAN control,, doing this is just a short path to a Thrombosis.

Angel

PS:
Mind the Foul Language,,any idea you Can't express without profanity Isn't an idea worth Listening to.

A Good explanation would be; Sombody Saw your stuff, Liked it, Copied the design, and is now selling it on the Teen grid.

Looking at the designs, I could probably replicate it in about twenty to thirty minutes with a Moderate to Fair degree of accuracy.

You can use all the Building tools and exclusivity tools you want, But this building system Isn't rocket Science, and the Idea of ANY object remaining 100% exclusive to it's creator is Pure fantasy.

In the real world, you would hold a Patent, Or a Copyright (Unless Your creation Looked a little TOO much like someone elses) Then you would have recourse. No such mechanism exists, or is likely to exist here.

One other side point, I'm assuming You play on the Adult grid (Though by the timber of your Tantrum, I question the term "Adult" and these Offending items are on the Teen Grid Tapping a Market YOU have NO access to at all. So,, In just what way are you Losing here?

Cut down on your Caffine Intake, and worry about things you CAN control,, doing this is just a short path to a Thrombosis.

Angel

PS:
Mind the Foul Language,,any idea you Can't express without profanity Isn't an idea worth Listening to.

A Good explanation would be; Sombody Saw your stuff, Liked it, Copied the design, and is now selling it on the Teen grid.

Looking at the designs, I could probably replicate it in about twenty to thirty minutes with a Moderate to Fair degree of accuracy.

You can use all the Building tools and exclusivity tools you want, But this building system Isn't rocket Science, and the Idea of ANY object remaining 100% exclusive to it's creator is Pure fantasy.

In the real world, you would hold a Patent, Or a Copyright (Unless Your creation Looked a little TOO much like someone elses) Then you would have recourse. No such mechanism exists, or is likely to exist here.

One other side point, I'm assuming You play on the Adult grid (Though by the timber of your Tantrum, I question the term "Adult" and these Offending items are on the Teen Grid Tapping a Market YOU have NO access to at all. So,, In just what way are you Losing here?

Cut down on your Caffine Intake, and worry about things you CAN control,, doing this is just a short path to a Thrombosis.

Angel

PS:
Mind the Foul Language,,any idea you Can't express without profanity Isn't an idea worth Listening to.

didn't take too long to find pics of some of my stuff. As that aircraft is an advertisment for my store am I going to be allowed to open one there? no? didn't think so.

my aircraft

I got about to page 7 of this thread and if someone has thought of this within the 9 pages I skipped, sorry for repeating.

If you sell you stuff on SL Boutique, then can't anyone just buy it there w/o having to step foot in "other grids"??

Let's not be silly. We, as creators of objects/clothing/textures/scripts have zero right over our own stuff. Anyone who still thinks we do is, quite frankly, retarded.

LL..... what do you plan to do about this? Do you even plan to make a half-assed gesture? And I don't want some bullshit 3 page smoke-blowing happy watermelon fest from your resident fall-thing... I want a real answer from someone who knows what they're talking about.

Looks like people are misreading the TOS. Notice, IANAL, but I can read:

"Notwithstanding the foregoing, you understand and agree that by submitting your Content to any area of the service, you automatically grant (and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant) to Linden Lab: (a) a royalty-free, fully paid-up, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use and reproduce (and to authorize third parties to use and reproduce) any of your Content in any or all media for marketing and/or promotional purposes in connection with the Service;"

Okay, that says they can use your content for marketing and promotional purposes.

"b) the perpetual and irrevocable right to delete any or all of your Content from Linden Lab's servers and from the Service, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and for any reason or no reason, without any liability of any kind to you or any other party;"

Okay, that says they can delete your content.

"and (c) a royalty- free, fully paid-up, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to copy, analyze and use any of your Content as Linden Lab may deem necessary or desirable for purposes of debugging, testing and/or providing support services in connection with the Service."

And that says they can use your content for debugging, testing and support.

None of these provide carte blanche for them to take your content and use it as they will.

The next paragraph is a little harder to parse, but it basically says that if you have a patent on your design, you grant them patent rights:

"You also understand and agree that by submitting your Content to any area of the Service, you automatically grant (or you warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted) to Linden Lab and to all other users of the Service a non-exclusive, worldwide, fully paid-up, transferable, irrevocable, royalty-free and perpetual License, under any and all patent rights you may have or obtain with respect to your Content, to use your Content for all purposes within the Service. You further agree that you will not make any claims against Linden Lab or against other users of the Service based on any allegations that any activities by either of the foregoing within the Service infringe your (or anyone else's) patent rights."

Again, this does not allow them to take your content and do whatever they want with it. It just says that you grant them a patent license.

The bottom line is that they can use your content only for specific purposes: marketing, debugging, and support activities. There is no power of "eminent domain" to nationalize or socialize your designs. I don't know if there is a history of such activities, some designer who Linden just blatantly and openly ripped off and told him to get stuffed when he complained? That would be against at least the present TOS.

And realistically, there are limits on what designs can be protected given that they are openly visible to everyone. Textures and physical objects can be copied. Probably scripts are the only things that are really protectable.

Someone asked about watermarking, but those schemes have never worked in other areas. Either the watermark is visible, in which case your design looks like junk, or it's invisible, in which case software can remove it while keeping the texture looking the same.

Just look at the vast failures of the recording and movie industries to protect their content. They have far deeper pockets than LL and they've totally failed. Once MP3s disappear from the world's file sharing systems you can ask LL to deploy analogous technology to protect your designs. But until then, realize that SL designers, like musicians and film artists around the world, are somewhat at the mercy of the ubiquitous culture of piracy which surrounds us.

there are several ways to transfer content to the teen grid,not that i have done any of them,but ITS possible,so you can say that if its possible,someone must have xcite stuff,if he/she didnt started telling out loudly "i have xcite stuff"

For the sake of all the adults, transfer all you can everyone to the teen grid, so they will want to stay there instead of coming here..

Do you know what the worst part of the cornfield is?

Not everyone can see it!

When I was suspended - and not for telling Lindens to fuck themselves, but for objecting to that very sort of thing - I was deemed too horrible a criminal to visit the cornfield.

According to Torley, only people who deliberately break rules, such as repeatedly selling goods in the welcome area despite being told not to, are treated to the cornfield. Along with those who discover exploits in vendors and get goods for free. And probably those who crash the grid or grief others mercilessly as well.

I really wanted to see it, too. It was going to be the only bright spot in a very gloomy week for me.

Blue, upon reflection this morning, I realized that the unmitigated (and unmoderated) hell that is the forums is not your usual stomping grounds. I also realize that one Linden doesn't have any idea what the other Lindens are doing, and that that is not your fault.

coco

I don't believe they lied to me, so I believe the cornfield exists.

Anyway, 17 pages and not one answer from a linden? lol

In summary, this was an issue that was discovered, investigated and resolved almost immediately...before this thread was started in fact. Any similar issues of main grid content on the teen grid that have been identified by Lindens, Teens or Creators have also been quickly and effectively addressed. We are working to the best of our ability to make sure that these uncommon incidents become rarities if not completely unheard of. Your help in identifying objects, in this case by way of snapzilla, is much appreciated. Next time, though, I suggest simply emailing [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] before wasting any perfectly good torches. ;p