There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

Something I just thought about...

Let's say my kid signs up on the Teen Grid and puts me as referrer...do we automatically get friended/calling cards still like you do on the mainland? If so, BAM, mommy and daddy (or the kid's alt) can send them stuff all day long via calling card.

Who wouldn't want to buy their kids cool crap from the main grid and send it to them?

So the simplest answer is that they were copied prim for prim - then the scripts were copied even though they are no mod, without ever seeing them up close - and the animations were copied without seeing them - and then they asked me when I made them on snapzilla?

Ok... even if that were the simplest answer - I said in another post I already mentioned that it was confirmed from someone at LL that they were in fact mine.

As for someone posting - well it is Sunday and this was posted last night.. Maybe on Monday something will be seen.

I bet you 10 to 1 that whoever originally asked you about putting those items on the teen grid had something to do with it.

OK... I think you guys are all going a bit crazy over something that's not really a big deal.

It's a really simple explanation, amnesty week teens kept their inventory.

Sure the grid is the same, sure there are some exploits that allow people to transfer items to the tg, however that does not not not not not mean that the permissions on the items are changed. It's not like all of asudden a no mod/no copy item is going to pop up on the teen grid as no mod/copy/trans. Sure there are some texture stealers over there, or people giving their textures to their "kids" to sell their products on the teen grid, however unless something like that happens your items are not all of asudden going to be sold by someone you don't know on the TG.

Permissions do not change, therefore there is not really an issue, other then the fact that you can't interact with the person that has the item.

Every content creator who was nailed by the great permission bug of around 1.4 (I forget the exact update now), please raise their hand.

/raises hand

I can't even estimate the amount of hard work and $L we lost when our work was released full mod into the grid.

That was the same update that gave us the oh so popular 'creator nobody' (source of so many "freebies" that scuz resell), and the fascinating 'anyone can copy' bugs. What a marvelous time was had by all </sarcasm>

Well if I were Siggy, and granted I'm not, the big issue besides having my item over there w/out my knowledge and say so would be this........................

ANYONE on the Mature Grid attempting any contact whatsoever w/ the Teen Grid is gone, banned, poofed, erased.........(insert relevant synonym)

I recall when there was a call for all good and honest underage folks to confess and had amnesty and had the ability to transfer to the Teen Grid.

What I guess I didn't pay attention to was the fact that they were able to take thier shit w/ them. Bad call IMHO, but noone asked me

So MAYBE this is a case of his stuff being brought over by a one time MG player...MAYBE

But it's not just Siggy's stuff......I saw someone post where thier skin is on the TG, someone also posted pics of an outfit of thiers on the TG..being sold by an enterprising young lass.

But my post, as most in this thread, matter not.............sorry Siggy, but we all have known for sometime that if I steal your slide, or Lost's skin or a texture by So and So you three are just shit outta luck.

I always hear about this event, but I think that it is overblown. There's not THAT much free stuff out there.

You want the truth?!

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

sorry, just saw A Few Good Men.

And you would know

I'm thinking it's an exploit. Just like how other things like skin, textures, clothes get exploited. Thing is, once the original creator points this out, what is LL's next step? There's not even a take down request to the accused to review this?

Which is why I have no faith in that LL will take any action even if I do file a claim that people have exploited my work. Becuz I've heard other people's stories and none have had a good ending. So why purposely frustrate myself.

I hope you get an answer, Siggy. Whether they tell it to you to here or not, either way, hope you share the info with the rest of us who've gotten shafted.

If hitting that population quota is all this company is after, then fine be that way. I'll phase myself outta here and keep an eye out for a better place to be creative.

on a personal level: Jonquille, that really hurts.

on a professional level: We're aware of this at Linden Lab. This isn't my area of expertise so I don't have further info to add at this time, but I just wanted to confirm we've seen this thread.

(My apologies for not replying earlier either, I've come down with an awful cold... I usually check the forums on the weekends too. :\)

*Hands a handkerchief*

Nice to know that LL have noticed this thread - Torley! Now we wait.... for...


/Tina

Yeah, there sure is a lot of that sentiment going around the forums since you became a Linden. People need to chill out. Your job may be PR, but if nothing else you're bound to know more than us, and it's not like only one Linden can respond to something.

didn't take too long to find pics of some of my stuff. As that aircraft is an advertisment for my store am I going to be allowed to open one there? no? didn't think so.

my aircraft

This is an interesting pic on snapzilla:
invoke the hack allowing objects/money to be transfered in/out of a grid

wtf?

It wasn't intended to hurt, Torley. As you say, this isn't your area, and you shouldn't be the one sent in to pacify people all the time so they don't have to really address the issue. Some issues need addressing by those who know the ins and outs of them, not just pacification of those who have been wronged by the issues.

Torley,

I hope you are getting paid because if not you're being used. I have no doubt that you are a good person, people I like have told me so.

But as PR you aren't able to get a real answer with what the solution is going to be. You are being used as a buffer so they don't have to see what is making costumers unhappy.

Rose

There is great advantage to having a front-person who has patience and tolerates flak without having all the knowledge nor much power. I don't think this was an accidental hire.

Neither do I mean offense to the watermelony one; indeed, I often get the impression that she gets as frustrated as the customers.

Me. The best part of SL is being able to and learning how to make cool stuff, not having cool stuff. I'd show what's possible in order to spark the imagination, give clues, assist with in Gimp or Poser, etc., but I would not give a thing.

*Has vision of a bored child sitting idly, watching their parent "help" them with their school project*

I am a parent, not a pal. Let them hang out with their own. If cool stuff from the main grid is given to them or cash is provided to just buy stuff, what incentive is there to develop their skills and make their own way?

Certainly not, but most aren't.

There was a Permissions bug of August/September 2004 which has reared its ugly head a couple of time. This was a fun and exciting time for many designers AND one of the biggest reasons a lot of us crack down on people seeing freebies. Let me explain. A random bug hit clothing mostly and suddenly no matter what you had your permission set to, they were now Full Mod Copy Transfer Anyone Can Copy Share with Group. The permissions changed on every copy sold, your inventory copy, the copies in prim boxes and vendors.

Recently, I have been prim battling -- I save an object Mod/Copy No Transfer and then check the permissions in my inventory and its No mod No copy Transfer. How does this happen? It beats me? I keep checking and rechecking. I've changed the permissions on a couple things two or three times.

Well obviously you would think that it was overblown as you weren't even here. Trust us, no one is exagerrating upon how much the permissions bug sucked. Granted, it was worse for some than for others. There is more free stuff that you think out there that has been affected by creator nobody and permissions bugs.

About a month ago I sent a friend a copy of a table I'd made, which I intend to sell at some point, when I get my act together. It was no-mod, no-transfer. When they rezzed it, it had full permissions. They took it back into their inventory, and rezzed it again, this time the permissions were right. For a moment though, they had the opportunity to make full permission copies. I was very glad it was someone I trusted.